RE: McLaren vs Porsche vs Audi: PH Video
Discussion
E65Ross said:
Whilst that may be good news for Ultima, Ariel etc....they aren't doing as well as McLaren. McLaren started up more recently than them, and whilst they may not have as long a waiting list in terms of time (though I know they do have a long waiting list....I'm just not sure how long), they're waiting list in terms of production numbers is far, far higher than those 3 manufacturers you've named all put together. I'm pretty sure that, from a business point of view, I know which position I'd rather be in....
I'm a customer rather than a manufacturer ... and UK small volume producers such as Radical are in rude health - they have hit their 2000th car. The 'gentlemans' racing RXC in carbon is at Goodwood at the mo looking superb! Deep said:
Does the McLaren have reliability issues? I've read a few things here and there implying that they do.
I know that Porsches are hardly bulletproof these days but is the McLaren less reliable?
Not sure about the 570, but the 12C is a wallet pilferer at every opportunity. Friends who have owned them only ever seem to be fixing the things.I know that Porsches are hardly bulletproof these days but is the McLaren less reliable?
Of course they do, some make the headlines more than others (Paul Walkers death in a burning Porsche for one), the point being that this was more newsworthy a crash than others for what reason?
I suppose I could have felt the same about Richard Hammonds recent crash in Toblerone-land in the Rimac (I thought that was a ladies hair-removal cream....lol)...
I suppose I could have felt the same about Richard Hammonds recent crash in Toblerone-land in the Rimac (I thought that was a ladies hair-removal cream....lol)...
I read the article with interest especially having just bought an R8 V10 Plus. I'm glad PH clarified the cost differential (of the McLaren) in their subsequent article when comparing the McLaren with the NSX. I chose the R8 (basic price £135k) over the Turbo S, and clearly if I had another £30k down the back of the sofa would opt for the McLaren. Although given it's my everyday car, I think it would be a little embarrassing climbing in and out of that cabin! Having lived with the R8 for a month now, it isn't just the engine that impresses, the chassis is perfectly balanced and the gear box makes Porsche's PDK seem slow. See Chris Harris' review of the R8.
dcurran said:
I read the article with interest especially having just bought an R8 V10 Plus. I'm glad PH clarified the cost differential (of the McLaren) in their subsequent article when comparing the McLaren with the NSX. I chose the R8 (basic price £135k) over the Turbo S, and clearly if I had another £30k down the back of the sofa would opt for the McLaren. Although given it's my everyday car, I think it would be a little embarrassing climbing in and out of that cabin! Having lived with the R8 for a month now, it isn't just the engine that impresses, the chassis is perfectly balanced and the gear box makes Porsche's PDK seem slow. See Chris Harris' review of the R8.
Generally quite surprised by the lack of a strong PH following concerning the R8. In it's V10 iterations it sums up a lot about what 'we' seem to want from a premium sports car; namely a large capacity N/A engine, mid-mounted with interesting styling cues. Perhaps it's a little subdued against its 570 comparison point, or not as well established as the Porsche equivalent, but I absolutely adore them and if I had the spare dosh I'd be heading to my local Audi dealer for a Plus version immediately, preferably in a totally bonkers colour. Glad to hear you're getting on well with yours, consider me well jel.
Resolutionary said:
dcurran said:
I read the article with interest especially having just bought an R8 V10 Plus. I'm glad PH clarified the cost differential (of the McLaren) in their subsequent article when comparing the McLaren with the NSX. I chose the R8 (basic price £135k) over the Turbo S, and clearly if I had another £30k down the back of the sofa would opt for the McLaren. Although given it's my everyday car, I think it would be a little embarrassing climbing in and out of that cabin! Having lived with the R8 for a month now, it isn't just the engine that impresses, the chassis is perfectly balanced and the gear box makes Porsche's PDK seem slow. See Chris Harris' review of the R8.
Generally quite surprised by the lack of a strong PH following concerning the R8. In it's V10 iterations it sums up a lot about what 'we' seem to want from a premium sports car; namely a large capacity N/A engine, mid-mounted with interesting styling cues. Perhaps it's a little subdued against its 570 comparison point, or not as well established as the Porsche equivalent, but I absolutely adore them and if I had the spare dosh I'd be heading to my local Audi dealer for a Plus version immediately, preferably in a totally bonkers colour. Glad to hear you're getting on well with yours, consider me well jel.
The Surveyor said:
I would say the lack of wider appreciation is is partially due to the 'Audi' brand and partially due to them being a little too good at doing all the boring stuff. All the drama associated with the amazing V10 just isn't enough (for me) to off-set the everyday styling, added to their ability to do everything so darn well makes them a perfect everyday premium sports car, but which also makes them a little too sensible to join the ranks of the junior supercar club. If you're going to use it as your daily driver, that all makes perfect sense, but if you're after something exciting for the weekend it needs an added layer of drama.
Totally get you - Audi has always been considered as playing it safe in light of competitors, as far as reviewers and enthusiasts are concerned. Personally I see something quite marvellous in the idea of a borderline supercar being able to cope with everyday life, remain comfortable, and provide laugh-out-loud thrills should the user choose to put his foot to the carpet. Maybe the Quattro system is partly to blame - in many ways it's predictable and guaranteed to do what it says on the tin (exceptions to every rule of course). Either way, if I had the money to blow I know I'd be looking for the best example of an R8 I could find, preferably in Merlin or Amethyst Purple.
I agree that the R8 does not have the drama from an aesthetic point of view, but from a driving standpoint it has Super Car performance, it is a Huracan after all. In Dynamic mode with the sports exhaust on it is very sharp and loud. In fact, I have had some negative feedback in my local village regarding the noise. The car has real presence in the flesh and receives significant attention, so I would dread to think how much negativity a Huracan or McLaren would get. For me, it's perfect especially as my car is black, with black wheels and even the blade has been deselected from carbon to black so it's very stealth.
I respect everyone else's preference but not sure there is anything else on the market that compares to the R8 in terms of cost, N/A engine, four wheel drive, mid-engine.
I respect everyone else's preference but not sure there is anything else on the market that compares to the R8 in terms of cost, N/A engine, four wheel drive, mid-engine.
Its a phenomenal drivetrain, dressed down.
Given that superperformance can't be deployed that often on public roads...a supercar should look super, 2nd gen R8 doesn't do itself any favours.
Quite why Audi decide to wrap that architecture in Audi A1/3/4/5/6/7/8 clothes and not tread a new path to signify it's status I'll never understand.
Give it the 4 rings, but leave every other Audi design signature at the door and go bold...
Opportunity missed as this is widely regarded as 'an engine'...just the engine...
Given that superperformance can't be deployed that often on public roads...a supercar should look super, 2nd gen R8 doesn't do itself any favours.
Quite why Audi decide to wrap that architecture in Audi A1/3/4/5/6/7/8 clothes and not tread a new path to signify it's status I'll never understand.
Give it the 4 rings, but leave every other Audi design signature at the door and go bold...
Opportunity missed as this is widely regarded as 'an engine'...just the engine...
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