RE: Porsche 911 GT2 RS - official
Discussion
anonymous said:
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Well. The main reason a well to do doctor wouldn’t be turning up in a 720S is because you need nearly £300k to buy one versus £150 for a Turbo S...That motoring ‘hack’ Catchpole isn’t alone in his summary. I’ve read/heard similar from elsewhere. And I can generally believe it. And the differentiation here was the fact that a GT2 RS customer and a 720S one aren’t necessarily the same. So to say ‘why wouldn’t you just buy a 720S’ is easy. Ones about substance and ones about appearance. And the resale values will reflect this....
Rawwr said:
It's very... contrasty. Personal preference and all that but I really don't think white is going to suit this one at all. Do you know if you have one yet?
I think you're right. Currently thinking of GT silver or PTS if they will do it. Yes just had a car confirmed. Very excited!!
n17ves said:
Naive.
All comes down to how much you left in the 'brown paper bag.'
Rubbish! A friend of mine, who is a huge Porsche enthusiast and has owned many Porsche GT models, secured an allocation on the allusive 911 GT3 RS. It helped that in the preceding months he had bought a Boxster S and Macan from his OPC. No back-handers involved, just loyalty to the brand.All comes down to how much you left in the 'brown paper bag.'
The GT2 RS won’t be a limited production run, rather limited by capacity to build it, meaning it shouldn’t be unobtainable to those who want and have the capacity to buy one.
I saw the car at Goodwood on the weekend and it is stunning in the metal, but...
DanielSan said:
And if the videos are anything to go by it sounds nearly as bad as it looks.
I have to agree it sounds awful! Watching and listening to it driving up the hill, the sound is uninspiring, and unfortunately it seems most turbocharged Porsches are similarly bad sounding. The naturally aspirated cars, on the other hand, sound fantastic, especially at full chat.h0b0 said:
My dreams shattered.
"The GT2 allocations are given to customers that have bought a 918. At this time there are no GT2 availability. If that changes I will let you know.
Thanks,"
"The GT2 allocations are given to customers that have bought a 918. At this time there are no GT2 availability. If that changes I will let you know.
Thanks,"
AndrewD said:
Yes just had a car confirmed. Very excited!!
The agony and the ecstasy in 2 posts...Rawwr said:
Go dark.
I may even start being nice to you once it arrives. Possibly.
Have a black Turbo S and I hate washing it! Also too dark will hide the lovely carbon details. I am considering a heritage 911 grey of some kind of PTS is available. Also want to do a few personalisation things to the interior. I may even start being nice to you once it arrives. Possibly.
I am really sorry for folks who wanted a car but at this point can't get one. I sincerely hope these get to the real enthusiasts. I know Porsche and the dealers are really vetting this - no system is perfect but they are trying.
anniesdad said:
h0b0 said:
My dreams shattered.
"The GT2 allocations are given to customers that have bought a 918. At this time there are no GT2 availability. If that changes I will let you know.
Thanks,"
"The GT2 allocations are given to customers that have bought a 918. At this time there are no GT2 availability. If that changes I will let you know.
Thanks,"
AndrewD said:
Yes just had a car confirmed. Very excited!!
The agony and the ecstasy in 2 posts...I will say that Porsche USA are good to me in other ways. Porsche UK will void a warranty for non-N rated tyres. Ring fitted. Porsche USA insisted on replacing a wiring loom on my car even though it had gaps in the service history. (And none N rated tyres). I just assumed I didn't have a warranty because of the lack of 2 stamps but they were great.
Hopefully, my dealer will get further GT2s allocated and a 918 owners passes (not passes as in dead). I will then get my chance to jump on one.
Since I will never own one, it seems academic to quibble, but that never stopped anyone on the internet so here goes:
It does seem to drift (probably with smoking tyres) further away from the original intent of the GT2 moniker: utterly without consideration of anything other than raw power and complete 110% commitment from the driver. Aircon? PDK? Traction control? What place have such devices on a GT2? Yes it has 700bhp. But the power alone is not enough. The 918 has 1000, give or take, as do the P1 and TheTheFerrariFerrari. It seems that this is less a GT2RS, more a GT3RS with a turbo.
Shame, really. I wish there was still a place for the unfiltered lunacy of the true GT2 mindset. Maybe I do it a disservice, but it seems to be a 'responsible' GT2. And that is not a GT2, to my mind.
It does seem to drift (probably with smoking tyres) further away from the original intent of the GT2 moniker: utterly without consideration of anything other than raw power and complete 110% commitment from the driver. Aircon? PDK? Traction control? What place have such devices on a GT2? Yes it has 700bhp. But the power alone is not enough. The 918 has 1000, give or take, as do the P1 and TheTheFerrariFerrari. It seems that this is less a GT2RS, more a GT3RS with a turbo.
Shame, really. I wish there was still a place for the unfiltered lunacy of the true GT2 mindset. Maybe I do it a disservice, but it seems to be a 'responsible' GT2. And that is not a GT2, to my mind.
canucklehead said:
Since I will never own one, it seems academic to quibble, but that never stopped anyone on the internet so here goes:
It does seem to drift (probably with smoking tyres) further away from the original intent of the GT2 moniker: utterly without consideration of anything other than raw power and complete 110% commitment from the driver. Aircon? PDK? Traction control? What place have such devices on a GT2? Yes it has 700bhp. But the power alone is not enough. The 918 has 1000, give or take, as do the P1 and TheTheFerrariFerrari. It seems that this is less a GT2RS, more a GT3RS with a turbo.
Shame, really. I wish there was still a place for the unfiltered lunacy of the true GT2 mindset. Maybe I do it a disservice, but it seems to be a 'responsible' GT2. And that is not a GT2, to my mind.
I get what you mean but there isn't such a car these days, it is a sign of the times. However owning a 991RS and a Turbo S, I am convinced this car with 200bhp more than the former with even more aero, 120bhp more than the latter but with 2wd, it will be bonkers. Not in the same way a 993 GT2 was bonkers, but arguably that is no bad thing. Porsche have made some great cars recently and this promises to carry that on. Just look at the details. Never looking back, but forging a new niche. As petrolheads it is great to see.It does seem to drift (probably with smoking tyres) further away from the original intent of the GT2 moniker: utterly without consideration of anything other than raw power and complete 110% commitment from the driver. Aircon? PDK? Traction control? What place have such devices on a GT2? Yes it has 700bhp. But the power alone is not enough. The 918 has 1000, give or take, as do the P1 and TheTheFerrariFerrari. It seems that this is less a GT2RS, more a GT3RS with a turbo.
Shame, really. I wish there was still a place for the unfiltered lunacy of the true GT2 mindset. Maybe I do it a disservice, but it seems to be a 'responsible' GT2. And that is not a GT2, to my mind.
I must admit.
When people grumble about 918 owners getting first refusal I must say that, as someone mentioned earlier on in the thread Porsche initially were laughed out of the park when they announced 918 of the 918 would be built.
The first drives of the early prototypes were less than favourable in terms of reviews and a long way from the gushing praise that the car gets in its final production form.
So any person who put their not inconsiderable money and faith in Porsche at that time and helped them sell all 918 models, in my opinion, showed the ultimate faith which should certainly be rewarded.
When people grumble about 918 owners getting first refusal I must say that, as someone mentioned earlier on in the thread Porsche initially were laughed out of the park when they announced 918 of the 918 would be built.
The first drives of the early prototypes were less than favourable in terms of reviews and a long way from the gushing praise that the car gets in its final production form.
So any person who put their not inconsiderable money and faith in Porsche at that time and helped them sell all 918 models, in my opinion, showed the ultimate faith which should certainly be rewarded.
Maldini35 said:
What a load of cack
Both cars are priced within £3k of each other before options.
Substance vs appearance?
I suggest you do some research into the engineering behind the 720S.
Then actually drive one.
In the recent Autocar test the 720S lapped faster than a P1. Not bad for a mere GT car.
The GT2 is however a exercise in gouging a loyal customer base.
The profit margin on the GT2 must be huge.
Looking at the stats, the GT2 is at a significant disadvantage when it comes to posting the faster lap.
720 PS, 1419kg, mid engined
Vs
700 PS, 1500kg (1470kg with optional Weissach pack £££) rear engined
Despite saying this I'm something of a serial Porsche owner.
Lovely cars - but on track this GT2 will not be faster than a 720S.
Not that it really matters though.
the 720s is as capable on the track, but as an actual driving experience i'm sure it'll be more sedated and comfortable than the GT2 Both cars are priced within £3k of each other before options.
Substance vs appearance?
I suggest you do some research into the engineering behind the 720S.
Then actually drive one.
In the recent Autocar test the 720S lapped faster than a P1. Not bad for a mere GT car.
The GT2 is however a exercise in gouging a loyal customer base.
The profit margin on the GT2 must be huge.
Looking at the stats, the GT2 is at a significant disadvantage when it comes to posting the faster lap.
720 PS, 1419kg, mid engined
Vs
700 PS, 1500kg (1470kg with optional Weissach pack £££) rear engined
Despite saying this I'm something of a serial Porsche owner.
Lovely cars - but on track this GT2 will not be faster than a 720S.
Not that it really matters though.
it's really a dual purpose car but the GT2 will have a more stiff, raw feel, and be more unsuitable for daily driving (I'd imagine)
WCZ said:
Maldini35 said:
What a load of cack
Both cars are priced within £3k of each other before options.
Substance vs appearance?
I suggest you do some research into the engineering behind the 720S.
Then actually drive one.
In the recent Autocar test the 720S lapped faster than a P1. Not bad for a mere GT car.
The GT2 is however a exercise in gouging a loyal customer base.
The profit margin on the GT2 must be huge.
Looking at the stats, the GT2 is at a significant disadvantage when it comes to posting the faster lap.
720 PS, 1419kg, mid engined
Vs
700 PS, 1500kg (1470kg with optional Weissach pack £££) rear engined
Despite saying this I'm something of a serial Porsche owner.
Lovely cars - but on track this GT2 will not be faster than a 720S.
Not that it really matters though.
the 720s is as capable on the track, but as an actual driving experience i'm sure it'll be more sedated and comfortable than the GT2 Both cars are priced within £3k of each other before options.
Substance vs appearance?
I suggest you do some research into the engineering behind the 720S.
Then actually drive one.
In the recent Autocar test the 720S lapped faster than a P1. Not bad for a mere GT car.
The GT2 is however a exercise in gouging a loyal customer base.
The profit margin on the GT2 must be huge.
Looking at the stats, the GT2 is at a significant disadvantage when it comes to posting the faster lap.
720 PS, 1419kg, mid engined
Vs
700 PS, 1500kg (1470kg with optional Weissach pack £££) rear engined
Despite saying this I'm something of a serial Porsche owner.
Lovely cars - but on track this GT2 will not be faster than a 720S.
Not that it really matters though.
it's really a dual purpose car but the GT2 will have a more stiff, raw feel, and be more unsuitable for daily driving (I'd imagine)
I have a friend in Dubai who has both a 12C and a GT3. I’ll leave you to decide which one he prefers driving.
RacerMike said:
WCZ said:
Maldini35 said:
What a load of cack
Both cars are priced within £3k of each other before options.
Substance vs appearance?
I suggest you do some research into the engineering behind the 720S.
Then actually drive one.
In the recent Autocar test the 720S lapped faster than a P1. Not bad for a mere GT car.
The GT2 is however a exercise in gouging a loyal customer base.
The profit margin on the GT2 must be huge.
Looking at the stats, the GT2 is at a significant disadvantage when it comes to posting the faster lap.
720 PS, 1419kg, mid engined
Vs
700 PS, 1500kg (1470kg with optional Weissach pack £££) rear engined
Despite saying this I'm something of a serial Porsche owner.
Lovely cars - but on track this GT2 will not be faster than a 720S.
Not that it really matters though.
the 720s is as capable on the track, but as an actual driving experience i'm sure it'll be more sedated and comfortable than the GT2 Both cars are priced within £3k of each other before options.
Substance vs appearance?
I suggest you do some research into the engineering behind the 720S.
Then actually drive one.
In the recent Autocar test the 720S lapped faster than a P1. Not bad for a mere GT car.
The GT2 is however a exercise in gouging a loyal customer base.
The profit margin on the GT2 must be huge.
Looking at the stats, the GT2 is at a significant disadvantage when it comes to posting the faster lap.
720 PS, 1419kg, mid engined
Vs
700 PS, 1500kg (1470kg with optional Weissach pack £££) rear engined
Despite saying this I'm something of a serial Porsche owner.
Lovely cars - but on track this GT2 will not be faster than a 720S.
Not that it really matters though.
it's really a dual purpose car but the GT2 will have a more stiff, raw feel, and be more unsuitable for daily driving (I'd imagine)
I have a friend in Dubai who has both a 12C and a GT3. I’ll leave you to decide which one he prefers driving.
It's a huge leap forward from the 12C which I agree perhaps lacked excitement.
I've driven a Turbo S, GT3RS and a 720S on both road and track and the 720S was a damn sight more exciting than the Turbo S and equal to the GT3RS in terms of fun.
Have you driven a 720S yet or are you basing your opinion purely on Catchpoles' (clickbait?) review?
Edited by Maldini35 on Friday 7th July 11:22
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