RE: Porsche 911 GT2 RS - official
Discussion
I rate Porsche for making this at 1410kgs it'll be an interesting car great power no doubt superb handling & if they can still make it enjoyable at low speed then it'll have done it all, but there's also a part of me that feel that Porsche will make a manual version towards the end of the 991's life maybe 911RR
What an incredible car. On my wish list for sure.
I have a friend who’s been playing the game with Porsche to get an allocation on some of the GT cars. Fairly unlikely he’ll get a GT2 RS allocation, but the comments on them all being bought by speculators is fairly unfair on both Porsche and those who buy them. The precise reason they are so difficult to get hold of is because Porsche try so very hard to only sell them to people who are going to keep the cars. The inflated prices are obviously a bonus, and one which inevitably leads to some people flipping them. But ultimately, you guarantee you’ll never get another allocation if you do that. Porsche reward owners who keep the cars for their own use.
If you want a GT Porsche, start by creating a relationship with your local OPC. Buy a car from them, get to know them, have conversations about getting an allocation on a GT car. Maybe buy a Cayman GT4, or an older GT car from them, sell it back to them, ask what you need to do to get an allocation. Ultimately, you need to illustrate why the dealer should give you a car over the next person who asks them.
It’s a bit like forming a relationship with anyone or anything. Why would someone invite you to their party if all you did was eat all their food and drink all their alcohol before dissapearing at 8pm never to be seen again.
I have a friend who’s been playing the game with Porsche to get an allocation on some of the GT cars. Fairly unlikely he’ll get a GT2 RS allocation, but the comments on them all being bought by speculators is fairly unfair on both Porsche and those who buy them. The precise reason they are so difficult to get hold of is because Porsche try so very hard to only sell them to people who are going to keep the cars. The inflated prices are obviously a bonus, and one which inevitably leads to some people flipping them. But ultimately, you guarantee you’ll never get another allocation if you do that. Porsche reward owners who keep the cars for their own use.
If you want a GT Porsche, start by creating a relationship with your local OPC. Buy a car from them, get to know them, have conversations about getting an allocation on a GT car. Maybe buy a Cayman GT4, or an older GT car from them, sell it back to them, ask what you need to do to get an allocation. Ultimately, you need to illustrate why the dealer should give you a car over the next person who asks them.
It’s a bit like forming a relationship with anyone or anything. Why would someone invite you to their party if all you did was eat all their food and drink all their alcohol before dissapearing at 8pm never to be seen again.
RacerMike said:
What an incredible car. On my wish list for sure.
I have a friend who’s been playing the game with Porsche to get an allocation on some of the GT cars. Fairly unlikely he’ll get a GT2 RS allocation, but the comments on them all being bought by speculators is fairly unfair on both Porsche and those who buy them. The precise reason they are so difficult to get hold of is because Porsche try so very hard to only sell them to people who are going to keep the cars. The inflated prices are obviously a bonus, and one which inevitably leads to some people flipping them. But ultimately, you guarantee you’ll never get another allocation if you do that. Porsche reward owners who keep the cars for their own use.
If you want a GT Porsche, start by creating a relationship with your local OPC. Buy a car from them, get to know them, have conversations about getting an allocation on a GT car. Maybe buy a Cayman GT4, or an older GT car from them, sell it back to them, ask what you need to do to get an allocation. Ultimately, you need to illustrate why the dealer should give you a car over the next person who asks them.
It’s a bit like forming a relationship with anyone or anything. Why would someone invite you to their party if all you did was eat all their food and drink all their alcohol before dissapearing at 8pm never to be seen again.
Well said.I have a friend who’s been playing the game with Porsche to get an allocation on some of the GT cars. Fairly unlikely he’ll get a GT2 RS allocation, but the comments on them all being bought by speculators is fairly unfair on both Porsche and those who buy them. The precise reason they are so difficult to get hold of is because Porsche try so very hard to only sell them to people who are going to keep the cars. The inflated prices are obviously a bonus, and one which inevitably leads to some people flipping them. But ultimately, you guarantee you’ll never get another allocation if you do that. Porsche reward owners who keep the cars for their own use.
If you want a GT Porsche, start by creating a relationship with your local OPC. Buy a car from them, get to know them, have conversations about getting an allocation on a GT car. Maybe buy a Cayman GT4, or an older GT car from them, sell it back to them, ask what you need to do to get an allocation. Ultimately, you need to illustrate why the dealer should give you a car over the next person who asks them.
It’s a bit like forming a relationship with anyone or anything. Why would someone invite you to their party if all you did was eat all their food and drink all their alcohol before dissapearing at 8pm never to be seen again.
RacerMike said:
Why would someone invite you to their party if all you did was eat all their food and drink all their alcohol before dissapearing at 8pm never to be seen again.
Because in this instance, I'm paying for the f
king food and drink! Porsche are rightly ridiculed for this stuff.RumbleOfThunder said:
RacerMike said:
Why would someone invite you to their party if all you did was eat all their food and drink all their alcohol before dissapearing at 8pm never to be seen again.
Because in this instance, I'm paying for the fking food and drink! Porsche are rightly ridiculed for this stuff.AndrewD said:
Maldini35 said:
Anybody know what it weighs?
Porsche web site says 1440kg, and Weissach pack saves a further c 30kg.AndrewD said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
RacerMike said:
Why would someone invite you to their party if all you did was eat all their food and drink all their alcohol before dissapearing at 8pm never to be seen again.
Because in this instance, I'm paying for the fking food and drink! Porsche are rightly ridiculed for this stuff.I really really believe, that so many of the people who frequent PH making noise, that they can't get this and can't get that despite them having money are just actually horrifically rude to their OPC's.
They are the gatekeepers of access to something that you want (GT cars) and far too many people in this country think that they can throw money at someone/ a problem and they should just get what they want in return.
Business and your personal life are a relationships game. I have to question, would people stamping their feet in OPC's speak to their boss or business associates in they way they speak to sales guys and DP's at Porsche.
Magic919 said:
Except that throwing money at it can work out here.
Not really. GT cars are a finite resource, so it always has to come down to more than money when demand exceeds supply.
Having the 220K just gets you in the door. But there will be hundreds of other similarly flush people who are all after the same thing, so the decision has to come down to something less tangible.
ETA: I understand that, yes, throwing money at it can work out in the overs/flippers market. But I am talking about getting an OPC allocation at list price.
The best thing Porsche/Ferrari could do to solve the flipping fiasco is simply do away with the allocation and move to an open auction bid system for build slots.
It seems to me we have different customers annoyed for different reasons, genuine would-be owners get vexed principally that they can't build a car to spec, or get hold of a car in timely fashion, then there are profiteers and people who like the car as a depreciation proof or profitable way to enjoy a supercar without losing all their money.
A bid system would satisfy everyone who wants a build slot to spec by pricing out the latter and the advantage for the makers is the car finds its true market value and they pocket the profit rather than the flippers. Put in some provisos to stop speculaors driving up the cost - non-refundable deposit plus full purchase price in escrow or a finance deal in place plus a contractual buy back provision at the sold price fir the first 36 months.
if you remove the profit incentive then the cars will find their true market value based on what people are willing to pay out of the door - if there are more willing buyers than cars then the cars will go to the owners who are most committed to buying and the sense of fairness is the same as any auction since Porsche are a business and entitled to charge what the market will bear. People seem to be more cross about private individuals profiting from flipping through smoke and mirrors dealing than anything so if all the money is going into Porsche's pocket they are simply charging you what the market determines the value to be rather than a artificially lower msrp that gives room to speculate on the supply/demand balance.
What's interesting to me is there is only really a scrap over allocations due to the potential profit involvec rather than intrinsic value - very few of these cars are tracked hard reguarly precisely to preserve their value and the turbo S is a far more usable road car and the extra capability of the RS over a turbo isn't deployable on the road without a ban.
The fuss generated is people wanting something they can't have combined with the prospect of making money from owning something nice - if you give everyone an equal opportunity to buy and they have to pay market driven prices to the factory we'd see how many people really wanted to own the car.
It seems to me we have different customers annoyed for different reasons, genuine would-be owners get vexed principally that they can't build a car to spec, or get hold of a car in timely fashion, then there are profiteers and people who like the car as a depreciation proof or profitable way to enjoy a supercar without losing all their money.
A bid system would satisfy everyone who wants a build slot to spec by pricing out the latter and the advantage for the makers is the car finds its true market value and they pocket the profit rather than the flippers. Put in some provisos to stop speculaors driving up the cost - non-refundable deposit plus full purchase price in escrow or a finance deal in place plus a contractual buy back provision at the sold price fir the first 36 months.
if you remove the profit incentive then the cars will find their true market value based on what people are willing to pay out of the door - if there are more willing buyers than cars then the cars will go to the owners who are most committed to buying and the sense of fairness is the same as any auction since Porsche are a business and entitled to charge what the market will bear. People seem to be more cross about private individuals profiting from flipping through smoke and mirrors dealing than anything so if all the money is going into Porsche's pocket they are simply charging you what the market determines the value to be rather than a artificially lower msrp that gives room to speculate on the supply/demand balance.
What's interesting to me is there is only really a scrap over allocations due to the potential profit involvec rather than intrinsic value - very few of these cars are tracked hard reguarly precisely to preserve their value and the turbo S is a far more usable road car and the extra capability of the RS over a turbo isn't deployable on the road without a ban.
The fuss generated is people wanting something they can't have combined with the prospect of making money from owning something nice - if you give everyone an equal opportunity to buy and they have to pay market driven prices to the factory we'd see how many people really wanted to own the car.
redback911 said:
tjlees said:
Hmmm .... looking a little bit like it's been dragged through halfrauds backwards ...
Heh, I LOVE it. Still. I have had two TechArt Porkas so I am bit prone to some Halfords. 
I can understand restricting production numbers to make residuals strong, but limiting to 500 world wide means it just for flippers and collectors rather that real drivers.
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