RE: Dodge Challenger Hellcat: You Know You Want To

RE: Dodge Challenger Hellcat: You Know You Want To

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J4CKO

41,637 posts

201 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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TheLuke said:
J4CKO said:
TheLuke said:
Its way too heavy to be quick, It weights a smudge over 2 tons with driver. Thats utterly ridiculous, you cant even blame it on airbags and the like either. Its must be made of lead.
Not quick, really, what exactly are you used to ?

They do a quarter mile in 11 and a bit seconds, less on drag tyres
11 seconds for a 700hp car on 295 Pirelli's Is hardly lighting the tarmac on fire.
Its is what it is, and its about as fast a car as you can buy at less than a million quid, hypercars are only a second or so quicker, its mixing it with 600/750 CC Sportsbikes.

What exactly are you expecting, have you been in something that rapid, got out and gone, "Hmm, bit slow that", been in a 911 turbo which is in the same ball park and its ridiculous.

TheLuke

2,218 posts

142 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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J4CKO said:
Its is what it is, and its about as fast a car as you can buy at less than a million quid, hypercars are only a second or so quicker, its mixing it with 600/750 CC Sportsbikes.

What exactly are you expecting, have you been in something that rapid, got out and gone, "Hmm, bit slow that", been in a 911 turbo which is in the same ball park and its ridiculous.
I suppose you have a point in regards to value, I suppose Its just not as fast as you would expect for a 707hp car and I dont suppose it handles well given the weight, but then again thats probably the market its designed for, given Murica' and there love for drag strips.

I quite regularly go in 400+hp 1100kg cars (part of being involved in drifting). Which might be the issue, as this isnt my sort of car really.

dzernski

123 posts

95 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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I love these. I wouldn't buy one because I'm a Camaro owner (and having sold the diesel mondeo it is my daily) but that's the prime reason. We should celebrate that the Americans are unhinged enough to make these things and run them before everyone goes Volvo.

madtoro

57 posts

221 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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I have a UK friend out here (Mid South USA) who runs a mildly modded one as a daily driver, I run a Supercharged F150 Raptor as a daily driver (same approx bhp)
We often take both out to car shows and events, Its comical the reactions to two UK guys driving such 'merican machines smile

mylesmcd

2,535 posts

220 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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dzernski said:
I love these. I wouldn't buy one because I'm a Camaro owner (and having sold the diesel mondeo it is my daily) but that's the prime reason. We should celebrate that the Americans are unhinged enough to make these things and run them before everyone goes Volvo.
I agree. You can slate many things about these and other Yank cars - but the very fact they are still doing it is ace. In my book.

aeropilot

34,680 posts

228 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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fesuvious said:
I own one, use as a daily.

It is utterly fruitloop. Unhinged.

Love it.

Every day is daft, everyday involves some wheelspin, everyday the noise is crazy (Borla exhaust and the supercharger whine). Tunnels, well, I own a F355 and neither that nor the Evora can come close.

In short, owning an unhinged car makes every day fun, and makes me smile everyday.

Owning a Hellcat makes you laugh, it's therapy.
Best post I've seen on here in ages.......... beer


aeropilot

34,680 posts

228 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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TheLuke said:
J4CKO said:
TheLuke said:
Its way too heavy to be quick, It weights a smudge over 2 tons with driver. Thats utterly ridiculous, you cant even blame it on airbags and the like either. Its must be made of lead.
Not quick, really, what exactly are you used to ?

They do a quarter mile in 11 and a bit seconds, less on drag tyres
11 seconds for a 700hp car on 295 Pirelli's Is hardly lighting the tarmac on fire.
Err....lighting the tarmac on fire is exactly the point of it.....which is the point that's clearly whizzed over your head....

aeropilot

34,680 posts

228 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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fesuvious said:
To quote the colleague I was working with at Donington yesterday

'give me chance to get home before you leave just in case you floor it and stall the rotation of the earth'

Anyone here making critique of the Hellcat is either a member of greenpeace or needs to hand their PetrolHead card in on the way out.

It doesn't have to be the fastest, it doesn't have to handle, it doesn't have to lap Silverstone GP in 2:20.

It just has to be fking bonkers. THAT IS IT!

That is the whole point.
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qube_TA

8,402 posts

246 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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TheLuke said:
J4CKO said:
TheLuke said:
Its way too heavy to be quick, It weights a smudge over 2 tons with driver. Thats utterly ridiculous, you cant even blame it on airbags and the like either. Its must be made of lead.
Not quick, really, what exactly are you used to ?

They do a quarter mile in 11 and a bit seconds, less on drag tyres
11 seconds for a 700hp car on 295 Pirelli's Is hardly lighting the tarmac on fire.
that's about as quick as a Koenigsegg and for a tiny fraction of the money, how quick do you want it?



Guvernator

13,164 posts

166 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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Goofnik said:
Just note that here in the states, there's now a widebody version of the Hellcat, that comes with 30mm wider section widths out back.

This car just looks soooo right. I WILL own one of these one day, it might not be right now but one day, she will be mine!

TheLuke

2,218 posts

142 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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qube_TA said:
that's about as quick as a Koenigsegg and for a tiny fraction of the money, how quick do you want it?
Show me a Koenigsegg that does a 1/4 in 11 seconds?

They are much quicker than that

loose cannon

6,030 posts

242 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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Come on then the Luke lets see your drift car that does 8 second quarters whistle
Is it the one that keeps doing donuts in slyfield industrial estate

WCZ

10,537 posts

195 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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fesuvious said:
The spaceframed 900kg twin turbocharged cosworth engined xpack bodied capri I race makes either look slow
makes the konig look slow? in what sense?

WCZ

10,537 posts

195 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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fesuvious said:
Sense.

Well, in the sense that on a racetrack I'd be long gone.

The point, once again is missed. Like people here completely miss the 'point' of a hellcat.

Pistonheads : pedantry & pointless picking of pointless points matter
which tracks do you think you could lap faster in your Capri than the Konigssegg ? (just curious)

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

256 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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aeropilot said:
Err....lighting the tarmac on fire is exactly the point of it.....which is the point that's clearly whizzed over your head....
So it was actually designed to turn 700bhp into tyre smoke rather than forward motion?

Matt Harper

6,621 posts

202 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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Guvernator said:
Goofnik said:
Just note that here in the states, there's now a widebody version of the Hellcat, that comes with 30mm wider section widths out back.

This car just looks soooo right. I WILL own one of these one day, it might not be right now but one day, she will be mine!
I'm not sure how I feel about those screw-on fender flares. You can just about squeeze a 315 section tire into the back of a stock Challenger, with an appropriate offset wheel. This is a comparison pic of a Demon and a Scat Pack Charger with the same size wheel/tire.



My only gripe with these cars is that they need more wheel OEM. I bracket race my Scat Pack Challenger and use Nitto NT05R 305/35/19 on aftermarket 19" rear wheels when I'm at the track.

I can beat a poorly driven Hellcat on OEM wheels/tires with around 200 less hp. Hellcat's OEM wheels and tires are not capable of hooking the power that they are being loaded with.

For those that say they have too much power - that's not the issue - they just don't have enough wheel, as evidenced by the Demon. It's tires can harness 840 trans-locked hp and run 9 second quarter miles.

WCZ

10,537 posts

195 months

Friday 7th July 2017
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fesuvious said:
So pretty much any track you want to name.
your ford capri vs a konigsegg @ Spa

2:32.14 to beat (6 seconds faster than a 675lt) but yes, still 2 seconds slower than a Radical RXC V8

i'm just astonished that your ford capi can keep up with this kind of car

irocfan

40,545 posts

191 months

Saturday 8th July 2017
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WCZ said:
your ford capri vs a konigsegg @ Spa

2:32.14 to beat (6 seconds faster than a 675lt) but yes, still 2 seconds slower than a Radical RXC V8

i'm just astonished that your ford capi can keep up with this kind of car
I suspect you're confusing a track dedicated special with a road car - the Capri should win, take it on the road and a different story


Back on topic - I do love the Hellcat, that being said I think I'd be just as happy with an SRT

WCZ

10,537 posts

195 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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irocfan said:
I suspect you're confusing a track dedicated special with a road car - the Capri should win, take it on the road and a different story


Back on topic - I do love the Hellcat, that being said I think I'd be just as happy with an SRT
I'm not confusing anything, I just would have thought that in terms of aerodynamics and chassis that a Ford Capri wouldn't ever be able to lap SPA quicker than Konsigsegg which has lap times not too far off those of a Radical, regardless of modifications.

aeropilot

34,680 posts

228 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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WCZ said:
irocfan said:
I suspect you're confusing a track dedicated special with a road car - the Capri should win, take it on the road and a different story


Back on topic - I do love the Hellcat, that being said I think I'd be just as happy with an SRT
I'm not confusing anything, I just would have thought that in terms of aerodynamics and chassis that a Ford Capri wouldn't ever be able to lap SPA quicker than Konsigsegg which has lap times not too far off those of a Radical, regardless of modifications.
If you bother to read the guys posts, he states just exactly what the aero and chassis is on this 'Capri' and as such I have no reason to doubt what he's saying either... biggrin