RE: Cars we won't regret going electric: Speed Matters

RE: Cars we won't regret going electric: Speed Matters

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RayTay

467 posts

99 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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mwstewart said:
Again, I think the risk of air pollution is being overstated
that's just pure nonsense.

RayTay

467 posts

99 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
Electric motors are perfect for a big wafty barge that wants bags of torque and silent, smooth delivery plus can carry the battery weight. Especially given the current economics involved.
electric motors are perfect for any car. Silent.

Cold

15,249 posts

91 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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RayTay said:
lectric motors are perfect for any car. Silent.
That depends on whether silence is a desirable quality in the car you're manufacturing.

Elsewhere, the Guardian is reporting the concerns of the National Grid surrounding the potential requirements of electric cars may have on their ability to supply. Guardian link

DonkeyApple

55,400 posts

170 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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RayTay said:
DonkeyApple said:
Electric motors are perfect for a big wafty barge that wants bags of torque and silent, smooth delivery plus can carry the battery weight. Especially given the current economics involved.
electric motors are perfect for any car. Silent.
No they are not. They are perfect for some and merely an option for others. Like I said, put down the bible and start freeing your mind.

DonkeyApple

55,400 posts

170 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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RayTay said:
mwstewart said:
My understanding is the black on stone buildings is soot (diesel) or legacy pollution from the 20th century.
A building near me is 20 years old. Yellow brick and now heavily stained. All via vehicle pollution.
And can you prove that? wink

RayTay

467 posts

99 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
RayTay said:
electric motors are perfect for any car. Silent.
No they are not. They are perfect for some and merely an option for others. Like I said, put down the bible and start freeing your mind.
the largest vehicles in the world runs on electric motors, as does the fastest. There is no situation where a filthy IC engine is better. None.

PixelpeepS3

8,600 posts

143 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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Cold said:
That depends on whether silence is a desirable quality in the car you're manufacturing.

Elsewhere, the Guardian is reporting the concerns of the National Grid surrounding the potential requirements of electric cars may have on their ability to supply. Guardian link
Again:

The electricity it takes to PRODUCE one gallon of petrol could charge an EV for roughly 20 miles.

The more EV's = less petrol engines = less fuel being refined = no additional strain on the grid.

DonkeyApple

55,400 posts

170 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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RayTay said:
DonkeyApple said:
RayTay said:
electric motors are perfect for any car. Silent.
No they are not. They are perfect for some and merely an option for others. Like I said, put down the bible and start freeing your mind.
the largest vehicles in the world runs on electric motors, as does the fastest. There is no situation where a filthy IC engine is better. None.
Jumbo jet?

Cold

15,249 posts

91 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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PixelpeepS3 said:
Again:

The electricity it takes to PRODUCE one gallon of petrol could charge an EV for roughly 20 miles.

The more EV's = less petrol engines = less fuel being refined = no additional strain on the grid.
Maybe you should try to explain your theory to the experts and the energy suppliers as they are the ones who have expressed concerns about an increased demand. But if you say everything is alright then they're sure to take notice.

DonkeyApple

55,400 posts

170 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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PixelpeepS3 said:
Again:

The electricity it takes to PRODUCE one gallon of petrol could charge an EV for roughly 20 miles.

The more EV's = less petrol engines = less fuel being refined = no additional strain on the grid.
You could stop using petrol and diesel today and the amount of oil being refined wouldn't change. All that would happen is that the diesel and petrol that is still being produced has to be disposed of as a waste/by-product.

To actually reduce the amount of oil being consumed by people you need to replace its fractions from most industries on the planet from plastics and paints through to fertilisers. To date, each attempt to achieve this has resulted in the starvation and death of people in the third world.

Arguably in the U.K. a large, unmanaged shift to EV usage would almost certainly result in greater oil usage for energy generation.

But what to do with the unrequired gasoline when enough cars and vehicles are EVs is a question that no one seems to be answering. When oil first started to be refined for its fractions the gasoline element was of no use until the motor car came along and it was just burnt to get rid of it.

The long and short is that stopping consuming gasoline doesn't stop it from being produced it just creates the slight problem of what to then do with it.

GT119

6,660 posts

173 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
RayTay said:
DonkeyApple said:
RayTay said:
electric motors are perfect for any car. Silent.
No they are not. They are perfect for some and merely an option for others. Like I said, put down the bible and start freeing your mind.
the largest vehicles in the world runs on electric motors, as does the fastest. There is no situation where a filthy IC engine is better. None.
Jumbo jet?
My definition of internal combustion is where the combustion and the pressure transfer occur in the same chamber. Jet engines are therefore external combustion in my view.

Nice to see Ray back on form, I thought you might have had your keyboard confiscated smile

bodhi

10,532 posts

230 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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PixelpeepS3 said:
Again:

The electricity it takes to PRODUCE one gallon of petrol could charge an EV for roughly 20 miles.

The more EV's = less petrol engines = less fuel being refined = no additional strain on the grid.
And again:

The electricity used to produce the petrol is produced by the refinery itself, and any excess is sent to the grid. Turn off the refinery, and the grid has to find more power from somewhere.

bodhi

10,532 posts

230 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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RayTay said:
DonkeyApple said:
Electric motors are perfect for a big wafty barge that wants bags of torque and silent, smooth delivery plus can carry the battery weight. Especially given the current economics involved.
electric motors are perfect for any car. Silent.
I have no interest in a silent car (not that EV's are silent by any stretch of the imagination).

PixelpeepS3

8,600 posts

143 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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bodhi said:
RayTay said:
DonkeyApple said:
Electric motors are perfect for a big wafty barge that wants bags of torque and silent, smooth delivery plus can carry the battery weight. Especially given the current economics involved.
electric motors are perfect for any car. Silent.
I have no interest in a silent car (not that EV's are silent by any stretch of the imagination).
i love the space-age wizz (like a crazed milk-float) sound the i3 makes when flooring it.. like i have previously mentioned, its comically good fun.

I don't think i'll ever get bored of that surge.

and the good news gets better... due to the savings we will make in our little world i have the go ahead from my FD (the other half..) to get an RS3 for the weekends once the house bits are done (2 years tops).

little pain now = good life later smile






RayTay

467 posts

99 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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bodhi said:
And again:

The electricity used to produce the petrol is produced by the refinery itself, and any excess is sent to the grid. Turn off the refinery, and the grid has to find more power from somewhere.
At least one refinery has a direct link to the local power station consuming as much electricity as Leicester and Coventry combined.


Edited by RayTay on Friday 14th July 00:36

RayTay

467 posts

99 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
Arguably in the U.K. a large, unmanaged shift to EV usage would almost certainly result in greater oil usage for energy generation.
As petro fuels usage subsides, any electricity generation by a refinery would still continue and exported to the grid.
This would be an interim until renewable energy/nuclear takes over.

RayTay

467 posts

99 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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bodhi said:
I have no interest in a silent car
I have and about 90% of the population.

RayTay

467 posts

99 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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PixelpeepS3 said:
Again:

The electricity it takes to PRODUCE one gallon of petrol could charge an EV for roughly 20 miles.

The more EV's = less petrol engines = less fuel being refined = no additional strain on the grid.
It is amazing how much that does not sink in. Also pollution in cities ruining lungs and making building filthy. None of these register with many.

Cold

15,249 posts

91 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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RayTay said:
have and about 90% of the population.
Got a source for that claim?

Cold

15,249 posts

91 months

Friday 14th July 2017
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RayTay said:
t least one refinery has a direct link to the local power station consuming as much electricity as Leicester and Coventry combined.
Which one?