RE: Lexus GS F: PH Carpool
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moffat said:
Great looking cars but certainly not competitor to the RS6, M5 or E63 in my opinion, as it's underpowered in that company and not as focused.
This is more of a competitor to the Audi S6 or E43.
Watching this may convince you otherwise:This is more of a competitor to the Audi S6 or E43.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIHQfqwLYys
Agreed, the GS-F's performance is a tier (or two) down from the current crop of supersaloons but as Mr Harris highlights in the above vid you can use more of the GS-F's performance more of the time. It's much more charismatic than the competition also. A mapped F10 M5 would be amazing fun though.
Casa1862 said:
Bladedancer said:
"Nobody seems to want to buy these cars and I can't understand why."
Because, sadly, UK is the land of the snob. Badge is what matters.
Really, Isn't Lexus thought of the same as the premium Germans? Price wise they are evenly matched, fit and finish I'd put Lexus ahead. Because, sadly, UK is the land of the snob. Badge is what matters.
theplayingmantis said:
no lexus isnt, but neither is VW. VW is bracketed with ford, Vauxhall and the French. Nothing more. Lexus is a rung lower than the premium germans along with Alfa, maybe Volvo, Saab (in its day) and possibly now infiniti and tesla. However most people see it for what it is a rebadged toyota
As for the car in question ive never seen such a gopping, ugly car. The reason they dont sell is they are characterless, ugly, toyota partridge mobiles. Like it or not the Asian 'premium' brands will always be looked down on in the west. My old man had an isf before his B3...yes it did a job and was plush enough but it was desperatley boring and just a white good really.
Puts tin hat on....
brave post.As for the car in question ive never seen such a gopping, ugly car. The reason they dont sell is they are characterless, ugly, toyota partridge mobiles. Like it or not the Asian 'premium' brands will always be looked down on in the west. My old man had an isf before his B3...yes it did a job and was plush enough but it was desperatley boring and just a white good really.
Puts tin hat on....
Please can you show me the Toyota this is based on? I've not seen one with a 5.0 V8. You must be more informed than me though so please educate me.
Which is completely different to the German marques in this country who never engine/gearbox/chassis/platform share do they?
To be fair, you do have a point, I just think Lexus/Toyota aren't the biggest culprit. The only Toyota that looks or feels anything like a Lexus is the new CH-R thing, and that's only in terms of image and the interior. The rest of it is all Prius!
For me, the reason they don't sell is because of poor residual value. Cost of ownership of most Lexus/Lexi is more expensive than the equivalent competitors. Someone might be tempted by an RC300 over an A5 or 4 Series but they won't pay more for it.
As an owner of an ISF I can assure you that fast 'Lexi' are not just 'a white good'! A small saloon with 400+bhp, 0-60 in 5 seconds and 170+ top speed tend to give a car character. Yes, they are a bit quiet as standard (as are all of the F models) but that is easily fixed with a stainless exhaust.
I've test driven the GSF and it is a magnificent car, same feel as the ISF but with everything turned up to 11. It is definitely top of my list when I upgrade. There is very little choice if you like practical, N/A V8 cars with total reliability! Does anyone really care that it only has 470bhp instead of the 600+ of rivals? Even my old ISF offers more performance than you can safely use on the road and it can keep up with most things on the track too.
People might be sniffy about the badge but once you've owned a Lexus it is hard to imagine leaving the marque. They are built so well and are so reliable that you soon expect all cars to be the same, but sadly that's just not the case. While most of the German rivals are undoubtedly reliable, a minority of them will suffer significant problems. When you are talking about performance models then the bills can be epic. Problems with the F cars are practically non-existent.
If you like the way they look and can learn to use the haphazard interiors then do yourself a favour and buy a V8 while you can!
I've test driven the GSF and it is a magnificent car, same feel as the ISF but with everything turned up to 11. It is definitely top of my list when I upgrade. There is very little choice if you like practical, N/A V8 cars with total reliability! Does anyone really care that it only has 470bhp instead of the 600+ of rivals? Even my old ISF offers more performance than you can safely use on the road and it can keep up with most things on the track too.
People might be sniffy about the badge but once you've owned a Lexus it is hard to imagine leaving the marque. They are built so well and are so reliable that you soon expect all cars to be the same, but sadly that's just not the case. While most of the German rivals are undoubtedly reliable, a minority of them will suffer significant problems. When you are talking about performance models then the bills can be epic. Problems with the F cars are practically non-existent.
If you like the way they look and can learn to use the haphazard interiors then do yourself a favour and buy a V8 while you can!
theplayingmantis said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Casa1862 said:
Really, Isn't Lexus thought of the same as the premium Germans? Price wise they are evenly matched, fit and finish I'd put Lexus ahead.
I don't think they are by most people. However most people see it for what it is a rebadged toyota
theplayingmantis said:
no lexus isnt, but neither is VW. VW is bracketed with ford, Vauxhall and the French. Nothing more. Lexus is a rung lower than the premium germans along with Alfa, maybe Volvo, Saab (in its day) and possibly now infiniti and tesla. However most people see it for what it is a rebadged toyota
As for the car in question ive never seen such a gopping, ugly car. The reason they dont sell is they are characterless, ugly, toyota partridge mobiles. Like it or not the Asian 'premium' brands will always be looked down on in the west. My old man had an isf before his B3...yes it did a job and was plush enough but it was desperatley boring and just a white good really.
Puts tin hat on....
I think it's a matter of perspective. I had a VW before my current Lexus (just an IS not one of the fast ones).As for the car in question ive never seen such a gopping, ugly car. The reason they dont sell is they are characterless, ugly, toyota partridge mobiles. Like it or not the Asian 'premium' brands will always be looked down on in the west. My old man had an isf before his B3...yes it did a job and was plush enough but it was desperatley boring and just a white good really.
Puts tin hat on....
Odd how Lexus is perceived a white good yet when I had my Golf the moment I thought "Hmmm" was when I was at a crossing and was literally surrounded in every direction by Golf's all the same colour as mine was (albeit different wheels).
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:theplayingmantis said:
no lexus isnt, but neither is VW. VW is bracketed with ford, Vauxhall and the French. Nothing more. Lexus is a rung lower than the premium germans along with Alfa, maybe Volvo, Saab (in its day) and possibly now infiniti and tesla. However most people see it for what it is a rebadged toyota
As for the car in question ive never seen such a gopping, ugly car. The reason they dont sell is they are characterless, ugly, toyota partridge mobiles. Like it or not the Asian 'premium' brands will always be looked down on in the west. My old man had an isf before his B3...yes it did a job and was plush enough but it was desperatley boring and just a white good really.
Puts tin hat on....
I think it's a matter of perspective. I had a VW before my current Lexus (just an IS not one of the fast ones).As for the car in question ive never seen such a gopping, ugly car. The reason they dont sell is they are characterless, ugly, toyota partridge mobiles. Like it or not the Asian 'premium' brands will always be looked down on in the west. My old man had an isf before his B3...yes it did a job and was plush enough but it was desperatley boring and just a white good really.
Puts tin hat on....
Odd how Lexus is perceived a white good yet when I had my Golf the moment I thought "Hmmm" was when I was at a crossing and was literally surrounded in every direction by Golf's all the same colour as mine was (albeit different wheels).
russy01 said:
Have you tried the RC F? Whilst its no means light it does hide it pretty well on the road and its chunk makes it feel incredibly sturdy and planted to the road.
Also I think Lexus have been a little conservative with the performance figures as once going that 5.0 V8 really shoves it along with a soundtrack M4's etc could only dream of... We had a play around with a 2012 C63 AMG the other day and on paper the C63 should be quicker, but the Lexus consistently pulled away at pretty much any speed.
Personally the M4 is more me (better infotainment, bit quicker & sharper), but the RC F is a lovely car to drive day to day. Plus they are becoming pretty good value, late 30's gets you a cracking car!
I haven't because i'm no-where near the position of buying one, i'm afraid. But, i'd love spin in one Also I think Lexus have been a little conservative with the performance figures as once going that 5.0 V8 really shoves it along with a soundtrack M4's etc could only dream of... We had a play around with a 2012 C63 AMG the other day and on paper the C63 should be quicker, but the Lexus consistently pulled away at pretty much any speed.
Personally the M4 is more me (better infotainment, bit quicker & sharper), but the RC F is a lovely car to drive day to day. Plus they are becoming pretty good value, late 30's gets you a cracking car!
Mr Harris did say that, as a road car, the weight really isn't much of an issue and it is good to drive. It's more on a track where it disappoints.
The M4 is the dream car right now for me and i'm not even a huge BMW fan. I don't understand the hate for it, personally. I never have.
gt03raf said:
great choice, had mine for 1 week now and absolutely love it :-)
and i'm also very glad i didn't pay the showroom price!!. Jan 16 car, 6000 miles, £44k :-) its an awful lot of car for that money.
What is really surprising is that used GS-F seem to have similar price to M5s.and i'm also very glad i didn't pay the showroom price!!. Jan 16 car, 6000 miles, £44k :-) its an awful lot of car for that money.
No wonder they can hardly sell any.
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