RE: Has Toyota banned the beige? Speed Matters

RE: Has Toyota banned the beige? Speed Matters

Tuesday 11th July 2017

Has Toyota banned the beige? Speed Matters

Why we should all cheer Toyota's return to making interesting cars



I can't remember why but not that long ago I was browsing the home pages of Toyota customer sites in various global markets. By the time I landed on the American one and was greeted with a sea of tedious looking silver saloons, SUVs, minivans and hybrids I'd just about lost the will to live.


Toyota seemed to me the embodiment of white goods motoring and the antithesis of all that folk like us love about cars. Which was a shame, because over the years there HAVE been interesting Toyotas, be they Celicas, Supras, MR2s or some of the quirkier 'underground' hot hatches like the Yaris and Corolla T-Sports. And where would Lotus be without Toyota's engines? Those four-cylinder screamers in cars like the S2 Elise and Exige were mega and the Evora's V6 has proven itself capable of great things. Hell, looking further back the AE86 even 'invented' drift culture.

Yet all those achievements seemed swamped in a sea of beige.

Thankfully someone in Toyota City seemed to realise. Was that Akio Toyoda, boss since 2005 and part-time N24 racer? That he did the latter under a nom de guerre is pretty cool, likewise the fact Lexus was permitted to create a vehicle as astonishing as the LFA and go chasing BMW M and Mercedes-AMG with a V8 super saloon. I don't know if he deserves personal credit. But his enthusiasm for competition has led to a generation of staff getting a taste for racing before being reabsorbed into the corporate machine.


"Every year we have taken promising young engineers and mechanics from our various R&D divisions and put them in our team for the Nurburgring 24 Hours," explains Shigeki Tomoyama, marketing director for the brilliantly named Toyota Gazoo Racing. "At the end of the year, they return to their original divisions with the experience and knowledge they have gained throughout the development of that year's race car and from the race itself, sharing what they have learned with their colleagues with the ultimate aim of building better production cars."

How is that manifested? With cars like the mad looking C-HR crossover, which I drove recently and unexpectedly rather liked. Because, yes, even cars like this have some motorsport inspired engineers involved in their development. And get raced at the VLN. Embedding guys like that within programmes for 'everyday' products seems to be reaping rewards.


Obviously, I'm fully onboard the GT86 fanboy express too, not least for meeting with development boss Tetsuya Tada shortly before it went on sale in the UK. The picture he painted of a small number of enthusiast engineers battling from within against the lowest common denominator, design-by-committee corporate culture was compelling. True? No idea. But we all like a good yarn and I bought it wholesale. I will own one at some point.

The confused sense of 'ownership' between Toyota and Subaru over the car (I think we all know who was really wearing the trousers in that relationship) doesn't seem to have put them off collaborating on future sports cars either, the pending Supra/BMW Z5 project looking promising. I am deeply sceptical of the whole Prius-driven hybrid thing while admitting a grudging respect for the way it has dominated the recent automotive landscape. Thankfully beyond Toyota maintains a rich seam of eccentricity, expressed by cars like the Lexus GS F with its naturally aspirated V8 and passive suspension in a market obsessed with turbocharged downsizing and driver configurable modes. And, yes, I know they've since bowed to market pressure and added adaptive dampers. But the point was made.


The really good news is that this renewed sense of adventure and boldness now extends to the mainstream range. The new Yaris actually looks pretty cool. And the GRMN version is really promising, daft name and all.

As a wounded VW Group retreats into a phase of cookie-cutter conservatism I'm really enjoying Toyota's rebirth as a builder of cool, quirky and interesting cars. And I'd include the CH-R among them. Just perhaps not the hybrid version.

Dan

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Ekona

Original Poster:

1,653 posts

202 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Quirky is one thing, hideously ugly is another. GT86 aside, Toyota and especially Lexus appear to be heading straight down the latter route.

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Tarting something up with tarty bits?
What does that make?

Stig

11,817 posts

284 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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saaby93 said:
Tarting something up with tarty bits?
What does that make?
S-Line, MSport?

saaby93

32,038 posts

178 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Stig said:
saaby93 said:
Tarting something up with tarty bits?
What does that make?
S-Line, MSport?
And this car is immediately recognisable as a



Europa1

10,923 posts

188 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Ekona said:
Quirky is one thing, hideously ugly is another. GT86 aside, Toyota and especially Lexus appear to be heading straight down the latter route.
Yep, the current Lexus headlight/grille arrangement reminds me of the sort of scrunched up, mischievous face emoticon.

cuda

464 posts

240 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Don't forget Toyota also make the engines for Top Fuel NHRA dragsters....

They're kinda interesting... And noisy.

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

218 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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I still see sh*te loads of beige in their show rooms......

Making beige look weird is a well trodden path, look at Peugeot.

AlexHat

1,327 posts

119 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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In regards to Lexus they're distinctive cars, with a common theme running through the range. Which is more than can be said about any of the Germans. I now struggle to tell the difference between a 3 and a 5 series or a C/E/S Class unless they're side on and the length of the vehicle shows the difference. The less said about Audi and resizing the same car the better.

What would you rather have, the same blobby shape just different sizes or the angular distinctiveness that the Japanese seem to do so well?

phil1979

3,549 posts

215 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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AlexHat said:
What would you rather have, the same blobby shape just different sizes or the angular distinctiveness that the Japanese seem to do so well?



"I'll take the blob, please!"

Murphy16

254 posts

82 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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The new Prius is an absolute abomination of a car design, whoever signed it off needs sacking. It looks like they just could not stop designing it, lines upon lines and creases where they needn't be. The older models were never pretty but they weren't offensive designs and gave the car a unique shape, the new one is an absolute mess.

Oddball RS

1,757 posts

218 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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phil1979 said:
AlexHat said:
What would you rather have, the same blobby shape just different sizes or the angular distinctiveness that the Japanese seem to do so well?



"I'll take the blob, please!"
That's Beige dressed as Ziggy Stardust.

aeropilot

34,633 posts

227 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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cuda said:
Don't forget Toyota also make the engines for Top Fuel NHRA dragsters....
laugh

No they don't.


Boulders

25 posts

219 months

Wednesday 12th July 2017
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Yep, the Prius is a seriously ugly car but I love the look of this! If only more people were brave enough....


Murphy16

254 posts

82 months

Wednesday 12th July 2017
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Boulders said:
Yep, the Prius is a seriously ugly car but I love the look of this! If only more people were brave enough....

I would have that over any German car for sale at the moment.

MIDangerfield

46 posts

104 months

Wednesday 12th July 2017
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phil1979 said:
AlexHat said:
What would you rather have, the same blobby shape just different sizes or the angular distinctiveness that the Japanese seem to do so well?



"I'll take the blob, please!"
For some reason the current prius reminds of that car Homer Simpson designed resulting in the bankruptcy of his brothers company.



Richard A

181 posts

176 months

Wednesday 12th July 2017
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phil1979 said:



"I'll take the blob, please!"
The automotive equivalent of walking into a Zen rock garden and upending a bin load of broken crockery.

mersontheperson

703 posts

165 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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Good article Dan, I think it could be fair to say that the totally beige cars of Toyota is more relevant to what they decide to sell in the U.K./Europe rather than what they build as a company. They seem happy to build some really interesting vehicles for their domestic market. Although hard core sports cars are not well represented even in Japan, they have produced loads of interesting saloons, estates, MPV's and SUV's.
in the whole of Asia toyotas reputation is almost without parallel, whereas in the UK they are 'just' a Japanese brand, and a boring one at that.

Mr Tidy

22,370 posts

127 months

Thursday 13th July 2017
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Murphy16 said:
I would have that over any German car for sale at the moment.
Why - it's some sort of Toyota wanna be POS isn't it?! Like most other Jap-cr*p! Not for me!

Murphy16

254 posts

82 months

Sunday 16th July 2017
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Mr Tidy said:
Why - it's some sort of Toyota wanna be POS isn't it?! Like most other Jap-cr*p! Not for me!
I think it looks amazing! Different strokes and all that

Crumpet

3,894 posts

180 months

Monday 17th July 2017
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dibbers006 said:
Do people still use the phrase 'Jap cr*p'?

How narrow minded.
I'd happily have a Japanese car but to be fair I am yet to sit in a Japanese interior that isn't crap! Even Lexus can't get it right (although the new RX is approaching 'acceptable').