RE: Aston Martin Valkyrie design secrets revealed

[matrignano]

Never you mind said:

According to that top gear article it will have a 12-1 exhaust. That is going to sounds incredible.

Yeah but it want, the picture clearly shows 2 exhaust outlets!
Maybe 12-1-2, but I don't see the point in doing that?

[MrScrot]

I think it looks awesome but not as an Aston Martin. It doesn't state luxury for me as much as it screams Usain Bolt's running shoes.

[Never you mind]

matrignano said:

Never you mind said:

According to that top gear article it will have a 12-1 exhaust. That is going to sounds incredible.

Yeah but it want, the picture clearly shows 2 exhaust outlets!
Maybe 12-1-2, but I don't see the point in doing that?

Could just be the silencer but it will be feed by a 12 - 1 exhaust ...

Top Gear Article said:

Newey insisted that it had to be a twelve-into-one exhaust system, rather than two six-into-ones because “that makes it sound like it’s revving twice as high as it actually is.” Remember when F1 cars used to sound good? Yeah, that.

[NRS]

matrignano said:

Nanook said:

They tend not to be great for unsprung weight, but I'm not sure where the engine/box are supposed to be and how they provide the drive.

Exactly what I was thinking!
From an aero point of view it looks all wrong, more like a hydrofoil boat (that wants to lift from the water) than racecar (that wants to stick to the ground)!

I could be completely wrong, but I guess Adrian N. might know a little bit about aero, so hopefully he's got it right?

[DonkeyApple]

DanielSan said:

It's a sad thought most of these will never be used in the manner intended.

Cruising through Knightsbridge with a high class prostitute? Are they not street legal then?

[anonymous-user]

NRS said:

matrignano said:

Nanook said:

They tend not to be great for unsprung weight, but I'm not sure where the engine/box are supposed to be and how they provide the drive.

Exactly what I was thinking!
From an aero point of view it looks all wrong, more like a hydrofoil boat (that wants to lift from the water) than racecar (that wants to stick to the ground)!

I could be completely wrong, but I guess Adrian N. might know a little bit about aero, so hopefully he's got it right?

You could be on to something. To me it looks like he started by drawing the biggest venturi and diffuser imaginable then slipped 2 seats and an engine into the airflow. It looks mega and I suspect will look even better in the flesh.

[NRS]

DonkeyApple said:

DanielSan said:

It's a sad thought most of these will never be used in the manner intended.

Cruising through Knightsbridge with a high class prostitute? Are they not street legal then?

I suspect this will be too extreme for most of the Knightsbridge crew. Quite a few of the very high end cars are owned by proper enthusiasts rather than posers when you look at the numbers made.

[Caviar]

downforce, minimalist and packaging, ok....where is the secret bit?

[Caviar]

bertie said:

I don't doubt it'll have unbelievable performance, but my god it's ugly!

have you got your glasses on yet?

[FN2TypeR]

Wibble

[bertie]

Caviar said:

bertie said:

I don't doubt it'll have unbelievable performance, but my god it's ugly!

have you got your glasses on yet?

Hang on....ah yes, it's still but ugly!

[The Vambo]

Max_Torque said:

"Space for two large adults"


Well, technically speaking you can probably fit two large adults into a Wheely Bin if you squash the lid down hard enough......


The good news, is that because they've only left enough space for a thimble sized fuel tank, you're going to run outta gas before your ass goes to sleep........

(BTW, anyone unfortunate enough to have ever followed a car with no wheel arches down the back of the tyres (like my rally car) is going to hate this car, unless it's on a surgically clean / dry road)

This seems a weirdly bitter post.

[kambites]

I don't understand the underbody aerodynamic concept. Sure, a large diffuser volume is great at creating downforce but you need an area of flat floor mounted close to the ground in front of it to get the velocity up. It looks from that rear view as if it has damned near a foot of ground clearance all the way to the front!

Having said that, the pictures of the front and rear appear to be different cars because you clealry should be able to see that front wing from the back through the diffuser tunnels.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 12th July 19:14

[DonkeyApple]

The Vambo said:

This seems a weirdly bitter post.

As per usual.

[samoht]

Awesome, this really sounds like the next generation version of the McLaren F1. I love that they got a bespoke n/a V12 for it too. The sheer ambition of making a big step over the current hypercars, the scale of the aero magic, and the light weight are very impressive.

I wonder whether this and the Mercedes AMG 'F1 for the road' car will end up being seen as a class of two, or more different than that?

[anonymous-user]

The Vambo said:

Max_Torque said:

"Space for two large adults"


Well, technically speaking you can probably fit two large adults into a Wheely Bin if you squash the lid down hard enough......


The good news, is that because they've only left enough space for a thimble sized fuel tank, you're going to run outta gas before your ass goes to sleep........

(BTW, anyone unfortunate enough to have ever followed a car with no wheel arches down the back of the tyres (like my rally car) is going to hate this car, unless it's on a surgically clean / dry road)

This seems a weirdly bitter post.

The point i was making is that there is a lot more to a good road car than just sticking some number plates on a track car.

Lets face it, if you've got £3M in expendable cash on a toy, just get a F1 car, and get someone to SVA approve it. Really not that hard to do. What you'll have is a ballisitically quick total shed, that is impossible to drive, can't go more than a few miles without either a) running out of fuel, b) overheating, c) cooking it's driver or more likely d) ending up backwards in the scenery when the downforce disappears without warning on a road bump or pothole.

AML/RB can crow on till they are blue in the face that this is a "road car" but lets be honest, it isn't, is it. It's an ultra high performance track car that is juuuuuust road legal (and i suspect there is going to be a lot of bluring the lines in getting it through even limited volume type approval.

For example, it's possible to get two large adults in a Lotus Elise, but have you actually done that and then driven it for more than 10mins. er no. and this cockpit looks to be several sizes smaller. And what about HVAC? What is the demist performance like? (does it even have A/C?)

As i said this isn't a road car, it's a rich persons posing pouch, which like the Caparo T1 will get driven once, and then stuck on a podium in a nice warm garage to be looked at, because actually driving it will be incredibly difficult.......


(IMO.. lol)

[h0b0]

kambites said:

I don't understand the underbody aerodynamic concept. Sure, a large diffuser volume is great at creating downforce but you need an area of flat floor mounted close to the ground in front of it to get the velocity up. It looks from that rear view as if it has damned near a foot of ground clearance all the way to the front!

Having said that, the pictures of the front and rear appear to be different cars because you clealry should be able to see that front wing from the back through the diffuser tunnels.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 12th July 19:14

dakar rally edition

[wtdoom]

Max_Torque said:

The Vambo said:

Max_Torque said:

"Space for two large adults"


Well, technically speaking you can probably fit two large adults into a Wheely Bin if you squash the lid down hard enough......


The good news, is that because they've only left enough space for a thimble sized fuel tank, you're going to run outta gas before your ass goes to sleep........

(BTW, anyone unfortunate enough to have ever followed a car with no wheel arches down the back of the tyres (like my rally car) is going to hate this car, unless it's on a surgically clean / dry road)

This seems a weirdly bitter post.

The point i was making is that there is a lot more to a good road car than just sticking some number plates on a track car.

Lets face it, if you've got £3M in expendable cash on a toy, just get a F1 car, and get someone to SVA approve it. Really not that hard to do. What you'll have is a ballisitically quick total shed, that is impossible to drive, can't go more than a few miles without either a) running out of fuel, b) overheating, c) cooking it's driver or more likely d) ending up backwards in the scenery when the downforce disappears without warning on a road bump or pothole.

AML/RB can crow on till they are blue in the face that this is a "road car" but lets be honest, it isn't, is it. It's an ultra high performance track car that is juuuuuust road legal (and i suspect there is going to be a lot of bluring the lines in getting it through even limited volume type approval.

For example, it's possible to get two large adults in a Lotus Elise, but have you actually done that and then driven it for more than 10mins. er no. and this cockpit looks to be several sizes smaller. And what about HVAC? What is the demist performance like? (does it even have A/C?)

As i said this isn't a road car, it's a rich persons posing pouch, which like the Caparo T1 will get driven once, and then stuck on a podium in a nice warm garage to be looked at, because actually driving it will be incredibly difficult.......


(IMO.. lol)

Some of us know a lot more about this car than we can discuss . I think no one will mind me saying that mr Newey has been dreaming of this car most of his adult life and it's probably an error to discount this vehicle with such little information .'I personally think you will be surprised.
Me? I can wait for the real hardcore one

[The Vambo]

Max_Torque said:

The point i was making is that there is a lot more to a good road car than just sticking some number plates on a track car.

Lets face it, if you've got £3M in expendable cash on a toy, just get a F1 car, and get someone to SVA approve it. Really not that hard to do. What you'll have is a ballisitically quick total shed, that is impossible to drive, can't go more than a few miles without either a) running out of fuel, b) overheating, c) cooking it's driver or more likely d) ending up backwards in the scenery when the downforce disappears without warning on a road bump or pothole.

AML/RB can crow on till they are blue in the face that this is a "road car" but lets be honest, it isn't, is it. It's an ultra high performance track car that is juuuuuust road legal (and i suspect there is going to be a lot of bluring the lines in getting it through even limited volume type approval.

For example, it's possible to get two large adults in a Lotus Elise, but have you actually done that and then driven it for more than 10mins. er no. and this cockpit looks to be several sizes smaller. And what about HVAC? What is the demist performance like? (does it even have A/C?)

As i said this isn't a road car, it's a rich persons posing pouch, which like the Caparo T1 will get driven once, and then stuck on a podium in a nice warm garage to be looked at, because actually driving it will be incredibly difficult.......


(IMO.. lol)

Fair enough.

I don't understand how an engineer can have the attitude that things cant possibly be improved and not very quickly become an ex-engineer.

[anonymous-user]

wtdoom said:

Max_Torque said:

The Vambo said:

Max_Torque said:

"Space for two large adults"


Well, technically speaking you can probably fit two large adults into a Wheely Bin if you squash the lid down hard enough......


The good news, is that because they've only left enough space for a thimble sized fuel tank, you're going to run outta gas before your ass goes to sleep........

(BTW, anyone unfortunate enough to have ever followed a car with no wheel arches down the back of the tyres (like my rally car) is going to hate this car, unless it's on a surgically clean / dry road)

This seems a weirdly bitter post.

The point i was making is that there is a lot more to a good road car than just sticking some number plates on a track car.

Lets face it, if you've got £3M in expendable cash on a toy, just get a F1 car, and get someone to SVA approve it. Really not that hard to do. What you'll have is a ballisitically quick total shed, that is impossible to drive, can't go more than a few miles without either a) running out of fuel, b) overheating, c) cooking it's driver or more likely d) ending up backwards in the scenery when the downforce disappears without warning on a road bump or pothole.

AML/RB can crow on till they are blue in the face that this is a "road car" but lets be honest, it isn't, is it. It's an ultra high performance track car that is juuuuuust road legal (and i suspect there is going to be a lot of bluring the lines in getting it through even limited volume type approval.

For example, it's possible to get two large adults in a Lotus Elise, but have you actually done that and then driven it for more than 10mins. er no. and this cockpit looks to be several sizes smaller. And what about HVAC? What is the demist performance like? (does it even have A/C?)

As i said this isn't a road car, it's a rich persons posing pouch, which like the Caparo T1 will get driven once, and then stuck on a podium in a nice warm garage to be looked at, because actually driving it will be incredibly difficult.......


(IMO.. lol)

Some of us know a lot more about this car than we can discuss . I think no one will mind me saying that mr Newey has been dreaming of this car most of his adult life and it's probably an error to discount this vehicle with such little information .'I personally think you will be surprised.
Me? I can wait for the real hardcore one

I've been lucky enough to meet and chat to Adrian on several occasions. He's undoubtedly a brilliant engineer. But never the less, even he can't break the laws of physics!

All cars are compromises. Absolute max performance means compromise on the other factors, such as comfort, range, durability, and to a large degree, a significant compromise on benign handling. (once you achieve a significant downforce to mass ratio, such as an F1 car, you live or die (sometimes literally) by the way that enhancement functions (or ceases to function).

In more than 25 years of developing and driving cars of all kinds, i can't think of a single high downforce car that i'd describe as being "nice" to drive.

However i'm not discounting this car as an engineering achievement (or challenge!) although i remain somewhat skeptical about where it's ultimate performance might sit (it could be as fast perhaps, as a LeMans prototype on a single flying lap, but i don't think you'd turn up to LeMans and win with this car, even if you were allowed (for a start, it's going to have comically short range due to having no space to put the fuel tank)