RE: Jaguar E-Pace revealed

[Fetchez la vache]

Doesn't look like a car. Looks like a license to print money... and it doesn't looks like a swift either.

Those XC60's do look rather lovely though. Starting prices are 36k as opposed to the jags 28k. If they're similar size, that might be enough

[telecat]

My Volvo experience isn't bad but not good enough to recommend one. Also I am not that impressed with the interiors.

[GTEYE]

Atmospheric said:

I really like what Jag are doing & this seems to be a fine vehicle. But i don't want to hear that "sporty" marketing spiel.

Or am I just fooling myself this isn't just Autocar in disguise

Did I recall Haymarket sold Autocar to JLR, or does it just read like their in-house comic?

[jl34]

i like it. The xc60 is in a different class price wise. Id rather have this than an X1 anyday !

[RichB]

nickfrog said:

RichB said:

I must have a visual blindness to these SUV/4x4/Crossover/People Waggon things. They all look pretty much the same to me. The formula seems to be take one big fat box (scaled up or down slightly according to how much you want to charge), stick your brand of grill on the front and come up with a trendy name. I know it's what people buy but when people say this looks good or this looks better I honestly can't see any distinguishing features (except the grill) to separate one waggon from another.

You could apply the same to most shapes of cars : saloons, coupes, roadsters, estates etc.

Indeed, we seem to be in one of the most tedious, unadventurous periods of car design. Yet people buy them so I guess people want an amorphous unit with a BMW/Merc/Audi badge these days...

[andrewparker]

jl34 said:

i like it. The xc60 is in a different class price wise. Id rather have this than an X1 anyday !

I've just spent 15 mins on the E-Pace configurator and it is way too easy to get the price north of £45-50k, just adding normal options.

[sonnenschein3000]

andrewparker said:

I've just spent 15 mins on the E-Pace configurator and it is way too easy to get the price north of £45-50k, just adding normal options.

So just like Porsche or BMW then?

[andrewparker]

sonnenschein3000 said:

andrewparker said:

I've just spent 15 mins on the E-Pace configurator and it is way too easy to get the price north of £45-50k, just adding normal options.

So just like Porsche or BMW then?

It was more a response to the XC60 comparison being a different price range. I'm not sure it is really.

Incidentally, it doesn't come with roof rails, and if you want them they're £460, but it seems you have to spec the pano roof to have them, which is another £970.

[nickfrog]

sonnenschein3000 said:

andrewparker said:

I've just spent 15 mins on the E-Pace configurator and it is way too easy to get the price north of £45-50k, just adding normal options.

So just like Porsche or BMW then?

Indeed yet there is usually very little need to add "normal" options. They depreciate fast!

[HeMightBeBanned]

RichB said:

Indeed, we seem to be in one of the most tedious, unadventurous periods of car design. (

Blame the EU and all the bloody regulations.

[E65Ross]

RichB said:

nickfrog said:

RichB said:

I must have a visual blindness to these SUV/4x4/Crossover/People Waggon things. They all look pretty much the same to me. The formula seems to be take one big fat box (scaled up or down slightly according to how much you want to charge), stick your brand of grill on the front and come up with a trendy name. I know it's what people buy but when people say this looks good or this looks better I honestly can't see any distinguishing features (except the grill) to separate one waggon from another.

You could apply the same to most shapes of cars : saloons, coupes, roadsters, estates etc.

Indeed, we seem to be in one of the most tedious, unadventurous periods of car design. Yet people buy them so I guess people want an amorphous unit with a BMW/Merc/Audi badge these days...

Aside from BMW perhaps when they released the E60 and E65 5/7 series....when have Audi or BMW ever had truly adventurous looking saloon designs? Merc.....perhaps at a push. Handsome designs, yes....but adventurous? Really? I wouldn't say these days are any different to the "good old days"

[RedAndy]

it DOES look A BIT like the swift. but no bad thing, both are quite handsome cars in their segment.

[PhantomPH]

HeMightBeBanned said:

RichB said:

Indeed, we seem to be in one of the most tedious, unadventurous periods of car design. (

Blame the EU and all the bloody regulations.

Zactly. Designers/engineers are doing their best with the bits and bobs in place to help those soft comfy pedestrians, but this trend you are seeing is the result of tighter restrictions.

ETA: I don't think that all cars are identical by any stretch. I think in reality it's also market driven. Consumers demand a certain size and a certain look and so on. That can result in designers coming up with the same broad concept for each vehicle in any chosen segment. I call it the iPhone effect. Every modern smartphone looks like an iPhone (and vice versa) and that's because they follow consumer demands.

Put it this way - if I was making a phone to compete with the iPhone, I would not make it round or triangular. I'd follow the formula I know customers are attracted to. Same for a lot of products, really.

Edited by PhantomPH on Friday 14th July 14:42

[Motormatt]

GTEYE said:

Atmospheric said:

I really like what Jag are doing & this seems to be a fine vehicle. But i don't want to hear that "sporty" marketing spiel.

Or am I just fooling myself this isn't just Autocar in disguise

Did I recall Haymarket sold Autocar to JLR, or does it just read like their in-house comic?

+1 on the use of the word 'Sporty', nothing about this is remotely sporty. However it is a neat design for a family car and very keenly priced for a 'premium' crossover, I'm certain it will sell well.

On a separate note, I live in the heart of JLR country on the Solihull/Warickshire border, and manage to spot nearly every new model in various states of disguise well ahead of launch, but this came as a complete surprise, wonder if they were dressed as Evoques during development?.

[Triple7]

Hmmmmm, trying to be positive.

Pseudo Jag, built by a third party. Too small, too expensive and too heavy. The russian doll thing has gotta stop Mr. C. Urah I know what the J-Pace next will look like.....:yawn:

Land Rover have got the better design, all cars in the line look different and far more striking.

The only Jags which IMHO look 'right' to me are the XE and F-Type (I like the good ole XJ as well).

PS Bring back the smooth leather on the TOTR models.......

[uuf361]

I quite like the look of this and the dimensions would make it easy enough to park in the tight spaces at work and also fit in my garage length ways which a lot of decent modern cars don't........

Think it'll probably be too expensive though and it being launched by Nick Boreshaw also put me off LOL

[RichB]

E65Ross said:

I wouldn't say these days are any different to the "good old days"

Don't know how old you are so the good old days may mean something different to you but do you seriously think a Zodiac looked like a Capri, a Senator looked like a Chevette, or a Jaguar XJ6 looked like an E-Type Coupe? Yet these days every manufacturer's small saloon is a clone of its big saloon and its coupe is its medium saloon with sloping back. Little or no adventure in design or differentiation between models. So I'll politely disagree that it's alway sbeen like this.

[E65Ross]

RichB said:

E65Ross said:

I wouldn't say these days are any different to the "good old days"

Don't know how old you are so the good old days may mean something different to you but do you seriously think a Zodiac looked like a Capri, a Senator looked like a Chevette, or a Jaguar XJ6 looked like an E-Type Coupe? Yet these days every manufacturer's small saloon is a clone of its big saloon and its coupe is its medium saloon with sloping back. Little or no adventure in design or differentiation between models. So I'll politely disagree that it's alway sbeen like this.

Well considering Audi/BMW and Merc were specifically mentioned I was talking about them. I was thinking the BMW E21 3 series vs the E12 5 series and E23 7 series of the early 80's....all look extremely similar. Same could be said of the Mercs of that vintage.

[HardtopManual]

RacerMike said:

For once, the pricing seems to be about right. If you compare it to an equivalent Nissan Qashqai (130ps diesel FWD) it's actually bang on the money, and I know which one I'd rather have. Interested to know what percentage actually spec one up to £60k.....

Do people really spend 30 grand on a Qashqai? Mental.

[PhantomPH]

anonymous said:

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Actually, aren't autos historically a little less 'efficient' in MPG terms, than manuals? (Do a quick comparison on other manufacturers' sites)