RE: Jaguar E-Pace revealed

[E65Ross]

PhantomPH said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Actually, aren't autos historically a little less 'efficient' in MPG terms, than manuals? (Do a quick comparison on other manufacturers' sites)

Historically, yes. Since the 8 speed box came out, definitely not.

[RichB]

E65Ross said:

RichB said:

E65Ross said:

I wouldn't say these days are any different to the "good old days"

Don't know how old you are so the good old days may mean something different to you but do you seriously think a Zodiac looked like a Capri, a Senator looked like a Chevette, or a Jaguar XJ6 looked like an E-Type Coupe? Yet these days every manufacturer's small saloon is a clone of its big saloon and its coupe is its medium saloon with sloping back. Little or no adventure in design or differentiation between models. So I'll politely disagree that it's alway sbeen like this.

Well considering Audi/BMW and Merc were specifically mentioned I was talking about them. I was thinking the BMW E21 3 series vs the E12 5 series and E23 7 series of the early 80's....all look extremely similar. Same could be said of the Mercs of that vintage.

I guess that's true...

[PhantomPH]

E65Ross said:

PhantomPH said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Actually, aren't autos historically a little less 'efficient' in MPG terms, than manuals? (Do a quick comparison on other manufacturers' sites)

Historically, yes. Since the 8 speed box came out, definitely not.

Ah right - so specific to the 'box technology now being used? Makes sense. I know that VAG DSGs are still a fraction lower on MPG than their manual counterparts, but really not enough for me to care - not that I care anyway...my car history is littered with hilariously low MPG cars.

[Andy665]

Triple7 said:

Hmmmmm, trying to be positive.

The russian doll thing has gotta stop Mr. C. Urah I know what the J-Pace next will look like.....:yawn:

Far greater differentiation between the E-Pace and F-Pace than between the X1 / X3 / X5, Q3 / Q5 and GLC / GLE

[williamp]

Maash said:

So another crossover. And this is somehow more appropriate for Jag-values than having a proper wagon?

This is so sad. I'm shopping for fun & sporty wagon that's not BMW. However neither Alfa nor Jaguar wants to offer one.

Maybe not calling it a "wagon" might help. Anyway, what are Jag values? They had to change that fater the war, when SS wasnt too popular a name to use. jaguar used to make the fastest car in the world, whose top speed can now be beaten by every car in the Jaguar range.

Jag values of the 70s? 80s? 90s? jag values are to sell cars to make profit. Always has been, always will be. And SUV/crossover is where all the money is at the moment. To make care nobody wants to buy makes no sense . They'd be suicidally mad not to. Did you complain with the BMW X range? Audi Q range? Merc G range? etc etc etc

[ivantate]

Looks far more like a Mazda than a Suzuki.

Its a bit disappointing the Jag and RR lines have to cross over so much now.

[PunterCam]

It just looks so cheap, like a small Ford or something. Same size as an Evoque, but not a patch in my eyes - and I don't even think the Range Rover is particularly attractive.. Great proportions, poor styling. This Jag is more awful proportions, OK styling.

I don't know, I just don't see anything Jag do as desirable. Regular car interiors (Jag aren't alone - Audi, BMW, Merc all make the same mistake) make them massively ordinary to sit in as well.

[Kenny Powers]

Nickbrapp said:

And the same shape grill, same shaped headlights, same steep windscreen,

I respectfully suggest a visit to an optician.

[E65Ross]

RichB said:

E65Ross said:

RichB said:

E65Ross said:

I wouldn't say these days are any different to the "good old days"

Don't know how old you are so the good old days may mean something different to you but do you seriously think a Zodiac looked like a Capri, a Senator looked like a Chevette, or a Jaguar XJ6 looked like an E-Type Coupe? Yet these days every manufacturer's small saloon is a clone of its big saloon and its coupe is its medium saloon with sloping back. Little or no adventure in design or differentiation between models. So I'll politely disagree that it's alway sbeen like this.

Well considering Audi/BMW and Merc were specifically mentioned I was talking about them. I was thinking the BMW E21 3 series vs the E12 5 series and E23 7 series of the early 80's....all look extremely similar. Same could be said of the Mercs of that vintage.

I guess that's true...

I'm not entirely sure what your winky face is suggesting. Typically, the manufacturers which have typically been more successful in the past (BMW, Merc etc) with having models which look similar vs the ones you suggest (Ford, older Jags) which have not been as successful in the past despite having different designs....So if you're suggesting that Jag should follow suit of the less successful companies than the more successful companies then yeah...makes total sense

You also saying about a Jag XJ6 not looking like their sports coupe E type of the era. So, the BMW 7 series looks identical to an i8 does it? Or a Z4?

Ah, I see. Makes sense now

So I'm not sure how it's different these days than the days you mentioned?

[tyrrell]

Been playing on the configurator evan an HSE model does not get met paint, adaptive dampers, head up display, 10 inch screen extra, configurable dynamics, the options list goes on and on. I think after the initial rush they will struggle against there German rivals when people start looking at the pcp rates, bearing in mind the extras add to the monthlies and add nothing to the residual value.

Jaguar have been incredibly mean with the specs, the SE model everything is extra so no idea what SE means as it comes with very little kit, shame as I really like it.

[BFleming]

E65Ross said:

PhantomPH said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Actually, aren't autos historically a little less 'efficient' in MPG terms, than manuals? (Do a quick comparison on other manufacturers' sites)

Historically, yes. Since the 8 speed box came out, definitely not.

VAG DSG's are (allegedly) more efficient than any manual equivalent. But to me that's like saying 'one day I'll drive an electric car'. Unproven to me personally, and unlikely to affect me any time soon.

Edited by BFleming on Friday 14th July 21:56

[diehardbenzfan]

Why is it so heavy? 1700 kg, isn't that 5 series/e class territory?

[HeMightBeBanned]

diehardbenzfan said:

Why is it so heavy? 1700 kg, isn't that 5 series/e class territory?

Heavy. Because Jaguar.

[velocemitch]

HeMightBeBanned said:

diehardbenzfan said:

Why is it so heavy? 1700 kg, isn't that 5 series/e class territory?

Heavy. Because Jaguar.

That struck me too, I was comparing it the Alfa Stelvio, which is nearly a foot longer, a good bit faster and over 100kg lighter.
I do think the E Pace is a nice handy size, quiet smart looking and reasonably good value though. I'd certainly be putting it on my short list.

[Beefmeister]

There's something seriously wrong with modern Jags. They're all about 300kg more than they should be, despite extensive use of aluminium. It's baffling.

[paralla]

They usually trot out some lame excuse (we invested the weight elsewhere) but looks like they have given up even trying to convince us their cars are class competitive weight wise.

[Wills2]

Beefmeister said:

There's something seriously wrong with modern Jags. They're all about 300kg more than they should be, despite extensive use of aluminium. It's baffling.

Yes it's amusing that Porsche steel always weighs less than JLR Aluminium, I remember reading a test where they weighed an F-Type vs. Porsche 991 and the F-type was 300kg heavier and nearly 150kg heavier than the JLR official weight.

[JonnyVTEC]

The E pace is steel though.

With regard to f type and 911, Is that little flat 6 steel then?

The F pace seems to be the sweet spot as it's lighter than its competitors.

[DPSFleet]

In the search for volume Jaguar have just "joined in" with the rest. So sad the brand was special in the old days. Now take off the badges and they all look alike. Jag/ Audi/ Merc/Kia/ you name it. Where has the adventure and difference now. Designed by Robots and driven by stereotypes on a pcp. The bubble will burst soon you know!

[HeMightBeBanned]

JonnyVTEC said:

The E pace is steel though.

With regard to f type and 911, Is that little flat 6 steel then?

The F pace seems to be the sweet spot as it's lighter than its competitors.

Autocar are reporting that the E-Pace is quite a lot heavier than its competition. 1700kg is shameful. The 300bhp one takes nearly 6 seconds to 60mph!!

1700kg isn't far off the weight of my E63.