RE: Toyota MR2: Market Watch
Discussion
Uncle John said:
Great cars, I've had a mk1 and currently a mk3 which no one wants to buy for some reason, had 1 decent nibble and that's all.
Very underrated cars which somehow do not have the following they should.
The MK3 has a gained a reputation for being unreliable, especially the pre-facelift.Very underrated cars which somehow do not have the following they should.
|https://thumbsnap.com/uVyeBkVV[/url]Wait Here Until Green Light Shows said:
Uncle John said:
Great cars, I've had a mk1 and currently a mk3 which no one wants to buy for some reason, had 1 decent nibble and that's all.
Very underrated cars which somehow do not have the following they should.
The MK3 has a gained a reputation for being unreliable, especially the pre-facelift.Very underrated cars which somehow do not have the following they should.
Uncle John said:
Wait Here Until Green Light Shows said:
Uncle John said:
Great cars, I've had a mk1 and currently a mk3 which no one wants to buy for some reason, had 1 decent nibble and that's all.
Very underrated cars which somehow do not have the following they should.
The MK3 has a gained a reputation for being unreliable, especially the pre-facelift.Very underrated cars which somehow do not have the following they should.
Neith said:
I realise a lot of people say the Mk2 turbo is the one to have for sheer pace, but what is the NA like to live with? I've been considering a Rev 5 NA; do they feel quicker than the figures suggest? I need storage space so a Mk3 is out of the question really.
Depends on what you want really. When giving it a hot supper along your favourite B road it feels pretty quick as you've got all that noise right behind your ears, and to be fair with 170-180bhp and ~1250KG to push along (assuming T bar with AC) it's enough to have fun with. However you'll probably lose a traffic light GP to Mr. 320D these days! TameRacingDriver said:
Uncle John said:
Wait Here Until Green Light Shows said:
Uncle John said:
Great cars, I've had a mk1 and currently a mk3 which no one wants to buy for some reason, had 1 decent nibble and that's all.
Very underrated cars which somehow do not have the following they should.
The MK3 has a gained a reputation for being unreliable, especially the pre-facelift.Very underrated cars which somehow do not have the following they should.
I'd still put them as reliable.
Neith said:
I realise a lot of people say the Mk2 turbo is the one to have for sheer pace, but what is the NA like to live with? I've been considering a Rev 5 NA; do they feel quicker than the figures suggest? I need storage space so a Mk3 is out of the question really.
I've only driven rev 3's so I'm not sure if the rev 5 is different. They feel good when you're on it, 50-70 in second is great, but otherwise there's lots of noise but not much go. With the correct tyre set up and standard geometry it takes a lot of effort to get it out of shape in the dry though in the wet it was a bit more lively.Gribs said:
I've only driven a rev 3's so I'm not sure if the rev 5 is different. They feel good when you're on it, 50-70 in second is great, but otherwise there's lots of noise but not much go. With the correct tyre set up and standard geometry it takes a lot of effort to get it out of shape in the dry though in the wet it was a bit more lively.
Only differences that matter with Rev3-5 NA for UK cars are cosmetics and the Rev5 (and Rev4) have an EGR vavle for emissions purposes. Map is slightly different to accomodate and the rated power is a few bhp less. Line them up next to each other you wouldn't notice though.Best use of the Rev5 engine is for a turbo build as the block is actually stronger than the Rev3 turbo block - the area around the water pump (known failure point on Rev3 Turbos) is reinforced.
405dogvan said:
Lovely cars in-period but they don't last, sadly - most should be upto their second complete restoration by now, just to keep the rust at bay?
The thing which irks me about that period of Japanese cars is that some parts are obviously impossible to find (seats, trim, bumpers, wheels for example) which leads cars into looking "less than original" - which I always think is a shame but what can you do?
Chap locally has an 88/89 Supra - had it from new - recently 'restored' it which involved removing a lot of badges/trim and changing the wheels for nasty aftermarket things - looks a bit forlorn now (tho it's obviously still working!)
Nobody gives a sThe thing which irks me about that period of Japanese cars is that some parts are obviously impossible to find (seats, trim, bumpers, wheels for example) which leads cars into looking "less than original" - which I always think is a shame but what can you do?
Chap locally has an 88/89 Supra - had it from new - recently 'restored' it which involved removing a lot of badges/trim and changing the wheels for nasty aftermarket things - looks a bit forlorn now (tho it's obviously still working!)
t about the old parts and in reality no one wants them!When I was racing a Mk1 MR2 I had several seats in great condition from them. Multiple attempts at £0.99 no reserve ebay auctions with no interest meant they ended up in the skip.
Shame as they were in near perfect condition and ready to go into other cars.
SonicShadow said:
Depends on what you want really. When giving it a hot supper along your favourite B road it feels pretty quick as you've got all that noise right behind your ears, and to be fair with 170-180bhp and ~1250KG to push along (assuming T bar with AC) it's enough to have fun with. However you'll probably lose a traffic light GP to Mr. 320D these days!
Straight line speed doesn't really bother me but I was concerned the NA would feel slow (I'd be switching from a Clio 197). Time for a few test drives I think 
As much as I'd love a turbo, tidy ones are starting to fetch a good amount.
Neith said:
SonicShadow said:
Depends on what you want really. When giving it a hot supper along your favourite B road it feels pretty quick as you've got all that noise right behind your ears, and to be fair with 170-180bhp and ~1250KG to push along (assuming T bar with AC) it's enough to have fun with. However you'll probably lose a traffic light GP to Mr. 320D these days!
Straight line speed doesn't really bother me but I was concerned the NA would feel slow (I'd be switching from a Clio 197). Time for a few test drives I think As much as I'd love a turbo, tidy ones are starting to fetch a good amount.
The MR2 feels more grown up (exotic is mentioned a lot) than the MG, Mazda or Z3. It's also got the comfort of an executive saloon when you're cruising on the motorway - something the drop tops can't begin to compete with. When commuting on dual carriageways I got about 35-37 average while a friend with a turbo only managed 28 taking it steady. I didn't think about checking my fuel consumption on the B road commute...
Another fun (but ultimately pointless thing) was the climate control was so powerful that if I turned it to max cooling I could see my breath in the car - even in mid summer. This was a JDM car.
I can't help thinking Toyota ought replace the MK2 as a Lexus with a transverse V6 and a 30 - 35K starting price tag. It would do the brand a world of good and a hybrid performance boost on the top model.
Neith said:
I realise a lot of people say the Mk2 turbo is the one to have for sheer pace, but what is the NA like to live with? I've been considering a Rev 5 NA; do they feel quicker than the figures suggest? I need storage space so a Mk3 is out of the question really.
I miss my NA even after owning 3 turbos. I remember taking out the chap who would eventually buy my NA on a test drive, and surprising even myself when booting it up a slip road. It gathers pace surprisingly well. Every bit the event to drive (well, maybe not EVERY bit) it has a character all of its own and can be driven at 8/10ths far more than a turbo can be driven at less. A well sorted NA is still a great car, and to this day I imagine owning one next to my rev 3 turbo.CDP said:
I can't help thinking Toyota ought replace the MK2 as a Lexus with a transverse V6 and a 30 - 35K starting price tag. It would do the brand a world of good and a hybrid performance boost on the top model.
That would of course be utterly wonderful.But a few small points;
1. Lotus might be a bit cross at them offering an Evora competitor at half the price.
2. Might cannibalise GT86 sales a touch.....
3. They don't have a decent transverse manual installation in any form throughout Toyota.
I own an AW11 and I've driven a mk2 on several occasions. I wanted to like the mk2, and I don't doubt it's a decent machine in its own way, but it seemed a let down to me compared with the mk1.
The engine feels sluggish until you really rev it out in the mk2. The mk1 is eager, from much lower down in the rev range. (Though it should be noted my mk1 is a low mileage minter, and the mk2 I drove had 100,000 miles of hard driving on the clock, if that's likely to make any difference.)
The ride is far worse. The mk1 has no problems with potholes and speed bumps. The mk2 crashes over them.
The mk2 has a depressing interior. The mk1 isn't a work of art, but it's characterful and focussed. The mk2 is just a big blank slab.
The mk2s pictured in this thread look fantastic, but they've been subtly modified. The standard ones don't always look great from every angle.
If they ever build a mk4, I'd be very pleased if it were more of a successor to the mk1, rather than the mk2. Sharp, raw but with a suspension set up suited to UK roads. I've high hopes for the MX5-RF, but haven't yet tried one.
The engine feels sluggish until you really rev it out in the mk2. The mk1 is eager, from much lower down in the rev range. (Though it should be noted my mk1 is a low mileage minter, and the mk2 I drove had 100,000 miles of hard driving on the clock, if that's likely to make any difference.)
The ride is far worse. The mk1 has no problems with potholes and speed bumps. The mk2 crashes over them.
The mk2 has a depressing interior. The mk1 isn't a work of art, but it's characterful and focussed. The mk2 is just a big blank slab.
The mk2s pictured in this thread look fantastic, but they've been subtly modified. The standard ones don't always look great from every angle.
If they ever build a mk4, I'd be very pleased if it were more of a successor to the mk1, rather than the mk2. Sharp, raw but with a suspension set up suited to UK roads. I've high hopes for the MX5-RF, but haven't yet tried one.
I've said similar before, but I'm chuffed to bits the MK3 is getting praise for handling etc, I loved mine for the nearly six years & 50k I did in it, despite the hairdresser comments from mates!
Mine seemingly died about 10k after I sold it, so I do wonder with it being an early one if the pre-cat issue caused it's demise
Mine seemingly died about 10k after I sold it, so I do wonder with it being an early one if the pre-cat issue caused it's demise
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