Van driver narrowly avoids cyclist
Discussion
InitialDave said:
The van driver is the one who f
ked up here, but I don't think it was deliberate, more likely he was just being dozy and unobservant.
Prime concern should be making sure he doesn't do it again, so a chat from plod might indeed be useful. Either the incident already gave him enough of a wakeup call to stop him making the same mistake twice, or he needs telling to sort himself out before he kills someone.
I agree with this entirely. ked up here, but I don't think it was deliberate, more likely he was just being dozy and unobservant.Prime concern should be making sure he doesn't do it again, so a chat from plod might indeed be useful. Either the incident already gave him enough of a wakeup call to stop him making the same mistake twice, or he needs telling to sort himself out before he kills someone.
TheRainMaker said:
I'm not sure if I'm watching the same video...
Bike pulls onto a 50 MPH road on a "gamble" the van is going straight on, and not turning right (he was wrong)
Van going 50mph meets bike doing 5-10mph.
Why gamble with your life, I wouldn't have pulled out.
There was no gamble. He just perhaps assumed the Van driver wouldn't be a c**t and would follow the rules of the road. (he was wrong).Bike pulls onto a 50 MPH road on a "gamble" the van is going straight on, and not turning right (he was wrong)
Van going 50mph meets bike doing 5-10mph.
Why gamble with your life, I wouldn't have pulled out.
And bikes seldom go as slow as 5-10mph FWIW.
saaby93 said:
So much for 5 feet passing distance!
The bottom picture shows how quickly he then swerved in. w
ker move.saaby93 said:
If the van gets it wrong you can see these stills show it's about a foot inside the bikes lane as it passes. Would that usually be an issue for passing? Looks tight but check camera angles.
You can also make out how much the bike has moved over after the pass.
Hate to say it but when I ride and am in a situation like that I get as far right as possible so that faster traffic can pass me to turn right. Yes I know that is probably not in the Highway Code etc. but I think self preservation in those sort of situations. Basically I find being in the middle of the road more dangerous than being at the edge, but maybe that's just me.You can also make out how much the bike has moved over after the pass.
TheRainMaker said:
I'm not sure if I'm watching the same video...
Bike pulls onto a 50 MPH road on a "gamble" the van is going straight on, and not turning right (he was wrong)
Van going 50mph meets bike doing 5-10mph.
Why gamble with your life, I wouldn't have pulled out.
Cyclist was not wrong. He pulled out onto a 50mph road without causing an issue for other traffic, and was back out the carriageway and into the filter for turning right immediately after. The van's passage along the road was never interfered with.Bike pulls onto a 50 MPH road on a "gamble" the van is going straight on, and not turning right (he was wrong)
Van going 50mph meets bike doing 5-10mph.
Why gamble with your life, I wouldn't have pulled out.
The issue is the van also took the filter without paying enough attention to there being something slower moving in it already, and then had an oh s
t moment when they spotted them.TheRainMaker said:
I'm not sure if I'm watching the same video...
Bike pulls onto a 50 MPH road on a "gamble" the van is going straight on, and not turning right (he was wrong)
Van going 50mph meets bike doing 5-10mph.
Why gamble with your life, I wouldn't have pulled out.
And it starts again. Bike pulls onto a 50 MPH road on a "gamble" the van is going straight on, and not turning right (he was wrong)
Van going 50mph meets bike doing 5-10mph.
Why gamble with your life, I wouldn't have pulled out.
The biker wasn't gambling, he had absolutely loads of time and space. He didn't gamble that the van was going straight on, he followed the rules of the road. If the van wishes to change lane, he should look where he is bloody going, and if a cyclist is there, slow down and slot in behind him, or go past him and slot in in front of him in a safe manner.
cb1965 said:
Hate to say it but when I ride and am in a situation like that I get as far right as possible so that faster traffic can pass me to turn right. Yes I know that is probably not in the Highway Code etc. but I think self preservation in those sort of situations. Basically I find being in the middle of the road more dangerous than being at the edge, but maybe that's just me.
Yep I agree. No way I would ride in the middle of the road.Integroo said:
And it starts again.
Maybe we should all meet up for a pie and a pint or whatever sometime 
Integroo said:
The biker wasn't gambling, he had absolutely loads of time and space. He didn't gamble that the van was going straight on, he followed the rules of the road. If the van wishes to change lane, he should look where he is bloody going, and if a cyclist is there, slow down and slot in behind him, or go past him and slot in in front of him in a safe manner.
Perhaps we need to work out what peeps mean by safe?The bike made it across the road but the car behind stayed put
The bikes out in centre lane, which may not be where the van expected it to go but it's seen seen the bike and swerved around it.
Maybe not ideal but everyone's seen to carry on pretty much as they were afterwards
Integroo said:
If he had killed the cyclist, would he get off with it on the basis the sun was in his eyes?
Who knows. But "blinded by the sun" was the excuse in this case ... http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/cycl...article said:
A cyclist was left with a fractured spine, fractures to both wrists and a fractured leg after being hit by a van driver who said he didn’t see him due to being ‘blinded by the sun’. Robert Anderson was cycling from work to meet up with his cycling club on March 9 at 5.40pm on the Kinglassie road in Glenrothes, Scotland, when he was hit from behind by a van driven by Alistair West.
West said that he had not seen Anderson – who had lights on his bike – as he was blinded by the setting sun, reports Fife Today.
The 44-year-old from Glenrothes appeared in court charged with dangerous driving, but pleaded guilty to careless driving. He was fined £1000 and received six penalty points on his driving licence.West told Dunfermline Sheriff’s Court that he realised he had hit something, but did not know what.
West said that he had not seen Anderson – who had lights on his bike – as he was blinded by the setting sun, reports Fife Today.
The 44-year-old from Glenrothes appeared in court charged with dangerous driving, but pleaded guilty to careless driving. He was fined £1000 and received six penalty points on his driving licence.West told Dunfermline Sheriff’s Court that he realised he had hit something, but did not know what.
DoubleD said:
cb1965 said:
Hate to say it but when I ride and am in a situation like that I get as far right as possible so that faster traffic can pass me to turn right. Yes I know that is probably not in the Highway Code etc. but I think self preservation in those sort of situations. Basically I find being in the middle of the road more dangerous than being at the edge, but maybe that's just me.
Yep I agree. No way I would ride in the middle of the road.WinstonWolf said:
DoubleD said:
cb1965 said:
Hate to say it but when I ride and am in a situation like that I get as far right as possible so that faster traffic can pass me to turn right. Yes I know that is probably not in the Highway Code etc. but I think self preservation in those sort of situations. Basically I find being in the middle of the road more dangerous than being at the edge, but maybe that's just me.
Yep I agree. No way I would ride in the middle of the road.DoubleD said:
WinstonWolf said:
DoubleD said:
cb1965 said:
Hate to say it but when I ride and am in a situation like that I get as far right as possible so that faster traffic can pass me to turn right. Yes I know that is probably not in the Highway Code etc. but I think self preservation in those sort of situations. Basically I find being in the middle of the road more dangerous than being at the edge, but maybe that's just me.
Yep I agree. No way I would ride in the middle of the road.
DoubleD said:
WinstonWolf said:
DoubleD said:
cb1965 said:
Hate to say it but when I ride and am in a situation like that I get as far right as possible so that faster traffic can pass me to turn right. Yes I know that is probably not in the Highway Code etc. but I think self preservation in those sort of situations. Basically I find being in the middle of the road more dangerous than being at the edge, but maybe that's just me.
Yep I agree. No way I would ride in the middle of the road.Precis, avoid the gutter, sit in the nearside wheeltrack (secondary position) and people will have to consciously think how they pass. If you're in the gutter they don't register you.
cyclist in a slip road not the outside lane, van had to think and act to join cyclists lane
cyclists position in slip is irrelevant if distance guidelines for passing a cyclist safely is adhered to.
What is not understood about the above, please stop quoting the cyclist was
a) in the middle of the outside lane ( whatever that is anyway)
b) the cyclist was incorrectly positioned
Neither is true
cyclists position in slip is irrelevant if distance guidelines for passing a cyclist safely is adhered to.
What is not understood about the above, please stop quoting the cyclist was
a) in the middle of the outside lane ( whatever that is anyway)
b) the cyclist was incorrectly positioned
Neither is true
WinstonWolf said:
DoubleD said:
WinstonWolf said:
DoubleD said:
cb1965 said:
Hate to say it but when I ride and am in a situation like that I get as far right as possible so that faster traffic can pass me to turn right. Yes I know that is probably not in the Highway Code etc. but I think self preservation in those sort of situations. Basically I find being in the middle of the road more dangerous than being at the edge, but maybe that's just me.
Yep I agree. No way I would ride in the middle of the road.Precis, avoid the gutter, sit in the nearside wheeltrack (secondary position) and people will have to consciously think how they pass. If you're in the gutter they don't register you.
DoubleD said:
I dont mean the gutter. I would position myself towards the right of that lane and not to the left as that places you in the middle of the road.
then you get to the business end of the slip on the right hand side of the road, and ps off all the cars behind you.The positioning in the slip is largely irrelevant as to pass safely you would have to be in the adjacent lane anyway.......unless you are an inconsiderate or intimidatory idiot.
Ares said:
There was no gamble. He just perhaps assumed the Van driver wouldn't be a c**t and would follow the rules of the road. (he was wrong).
And bikes seldom go as slow as 5-10mph FWIW.
Oh rules have changed have they?And bikes seldom go as slow as 5-10mph FWIW.
He won't have been going more than 5-10 mph he had just pulled out of a junction from a minor to a major road FWIW...
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