Van driver narrowly avoids cyclist
Discussion
M-SportMatt said:
DoubleD said:
I dont mean the gutter. I would position myself towards the right of that lane and not to the left as that places you in the middle of the road.
then you get to the business end of the slip on the right hand side of the road, and p
s off all the cars behind you.The positioning in the slip is largely irrelevant as to pass safely you would have to be in the adjacent lane anyway.......unless you are an inconsiderate or intimidatory idiot.
DoubleD said:
Pissing someone off at 0 mph at the end of the slip road is fine as far as im concerned. Riding in the middle of the road and pissing someone off whos bearing down on you at speed or has not seen you is not ok in my opinion.
I doubt the van was even in sight once the cyclist started moving to turn the pedal and engage cleats, it was a good way back even when the cyclist had crossed into the slip and i can see the van indicating till well after that.When was the last time you cycled..........
M-SportMatt said:
DoubleD said:
Pissing someone off at 0 mph at the end of the slip road is fine as far as im concerned. Riding in the middle of the road and pissing someone off whos bearing down on you at speed or has not seen you is not ok in my opinion.
I doubt the van was even in sight once the cyclist started moving to turn the pedal and engage cleats, it was a good way back even when the cyclist had crossed into the slip and i can see the van indicating till well after that.TheRainMaker said:
Ares said:
There was no gamble. He just perhaps assumed the Van driver wouldn't be a c**t and would follow the rules of the road. (he was wrong).
And bikes seldom go as slow as 5-10mph FWIW.
Oh rules have changed have they?And bikes seldom go as slow as 5-10mph FWIW.
He won't have been going more than 5-10 mph he had just pulled out of a junction from a minor to a major road FWIW...
DoubleD said:
I would still have positioned myself near the verge and not near the line between 2 lanes.
Best of luck changing sides further down in traffic then, or when a lorry just pushes you into the verge because you've left an open invitation to them.This is not like cycling in a town with slow traffic
I'm surprised people seem to not understand about positioning yourself to discourage overtaking when it would be a danger. It's a fairly established technique for proactively managing other traffic to ensure your safety.
Basically, don't put yourself in a position to make it appear someone might get past. Either leave enough space people can definitely get past without endangering you, or make it so it's clear there's no overtaking opportunity at that point.
I would consider the cyclist's positioning in the filter lane to be correct for the situation at hand.
Basically, don't put yourself in a position to make it appear someone might get past. Either leave enough space people can definitely get past without endangering you, or make it so it's clear there's no overtaking opportunity at that point.
I would consider the cyclist's positioning in the filter lane to be correct for the situation at hand.
M-SportMatt said:
DoubleD said:
I would still have positioned myself near the verge and not near the line between 2 lanes.
Best of luck changing sides further down in traffic then, or when a lorry just pushes you into the verge because you've left an open invitation to them.This is not like cycling in a town with slow traffic
InitialDave said:
I'm surprised people seem to not understand about positioning yourself to discourage overtaking when it would be a danger. It's a fairly established technique for proactively managing other traffic to ensure your safety.
Basically, don't put yourself in a position to make it appear someone might get past. Either leave enough space people can definitely get past without endangering you, or make it so it's clear there's no overtaking opportunity at that point.
I would consider the cyclist's positioning in the filter lane to be correct for the situation at hand.
Yep, worked a treat for him Basically, don't put yourself in a position to make it appear someone might get past. Either leave enough space people can definitely get past without endangering you, or make it so it's clear there's no overtaking opportunity at that point.
I would consider the cyclist's positioning in the filter lane to be correct for the situation at hand.
Integroo said:
TheRainMaker said:
Ares said:
There was no gamble. He just perhaps assumed the Van driver wouldn't be a c**t and would follow the rules of the road. (he was wrong).
And bikes seldom go as slow as 5-10mph FWIW.
Oh rules have changed have they?And bikes seldom go as slow as 5-10mph FWIW.
He won't have been going more than 5-10 mph he had just pulled out of a junction from a minor to a major road FWIW...
Bike should have waited, worse case should have been over to the right knowing traffic could well have been coming off the main carriage way at 50 mph.
It's embarrassing to be a cyclist sometimes.
bigandclever said:
Integroo said:
If he had killed the cyclist, would he get off with it on the basis the sun was in his eyes?
Who knows. But "blinded by the sun" was the excuse in this case ... http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/cycl...article said:
A cyclist was left with a fractured spine, fractures to both wrists and a fractured leg after being hit by a van driver who said he didn’t see him due to being ‘blinded by the sun’. Robert Anderson was cycling from work to meet up with his cycling club on March 9 at 5.40pm on the Kinglassie road in Glenrothes, Scotland, when he was hit from behind by a van driven by Alistair West.
West said that he had not seen Anderson – who had lights on his bike – as he was blinded by the setting sun, reports Fife Today.
The 44-year-old from Glenrothes appeared in court charged with dangerous driving, but pleaded guilty to careless driving. He was fined £1000 and received six penalty points on his driving licence.West told Dunfermline Sheriff’s Court that he realised he had hit something, but did not know what.
West said that he had not seen Anderson – who had lights on his bike – as he was blinded by the setting sun, reports Fife Today.
The 44-year-old from Glenrothes appeared in court charged with dangerous driving, but pleaded guilty to careless driving. He was fined £1000 and received six penalty points on his driving licence.West told Dunfermline Sheriff’s Court that he realised he had hit something, but did not know what.
TheRainMaker said:
Integroo said:
TheRainMaker said:
Ares said:
There was no gamble. He just perhaps assumed the Van driver wouldn't be a c**t and would follow the rules of the road. (he was wrong).
And bikes seldom go as slow as 5-10mph FWIW.
Oh rules have changed have they?And bikes seldom go as slow as 5-10mph FWIW.
He won't have been going more than 5-10 mph he had just pulled out of a junction from a minor to a major road FWIW...
Bike should have waited, worse case should have been over to the right knowing traffic could well have been coming off the main carriage way at 50 mph.
It's embarrassing to be a cyclist sometimes.
Integroo said:
TheRainMaker said:
Integroo said:
TheRainMaker said:
Ares said:
There was no gamble. He just perhaps assumed the Van driver wouldn't be a c**t and would follow the rules of the road. (he was wrong).
And bikes seldom go as slow as 5-10mph FWIW.
Oh rules have changed have they?And bikes seldom go as slow as 5-10mph FWIW.
He won't have been going more than 5-10 mph he had just pulled out of a junction from a minor to a major road FWIW...
Bike should have waited, worse case should have been over to the right knowing traffic could well have been coming off the main carriage way at 50 mph.
It's embarrassing to be a cyclist sometimes.
cb1965 said:
Yep, worked a treat for him
The events shown in the video are not a product of the cyclist's decision. He made the right decision for the road layout. What transpired after that was due to the van driver who was not driving properly, not the cyclist who was riding properly.Your argument is that he should use road positioning that is safer for a rare eventuality, instead of that which is safer for a common one.
TheRainMaker said:
OK so who would be at fault if a you pulled onto the motorway at 30mph into lane 1 and then pulled into lane two forcing traffic traveling @ 70mph coming up behind you to take avoiding action.
Your analogy is backwards though. If a vehicle joined a motorway in lane 1 at low speed, lane 1 being a filter to come back off at the next exit shortly after, then a vehicle pulling into lane one at high speed because they want that exit and nearly hitting them would be at fault.TheRainMaker said:
Integroo said:
TheRainMaker said:
Integroo said:
TheRainMaker said:
Ares said:
There was no gamble. He just perhaps assumed the Van driver wouldn't be a c**t and would follow the rules of the road. (he was wrong).
And bikes seldom go as slow as 5-10mph FWIW.
Oh rules have changed have they?And bikes seldom go as slow as 5-10mph FWIW.
He won't have been going more than 5-10 mph he had just pulled out of a junction from a minor to a major road FWIW...
Bike should have waited, worse case should have been over to the right knowing traffic could well have been coming off the main carriage way at 50 mph.
It's embarrassing to be a cyclist sometimes.
InitialDave said:
The issue is the van also took the filter without paying enough attention to there being something slower moving in it already, and then had an oh st moment when they spotted them.
....at best. Or he wanted to teach the cyclist a lesson and purposefully gave the cyclist a very near miss, probably being ignorant as to how close and how dangerous it is.t moment when they spotted them.As a non-commuting road cyclist, that is an all too common occurrence.
Integroo said:
TheRainMaker said:
Integroo said:
TheRainMaker said:
Integroo said:
TheRainMaker said:
Ares said:
There was no gamble. He just perhaps assumed the Van driver wouldn't be a c**t and would follow the rules of the road. (he was wrong).
And bikes seldom go as slow as 5-10mph FWIW.
Oh rules have changed have they?And bikes seldom go as slow as 5-10mph FWIW.
He won't have been going more than 5-10 mph he had just pulled out of a junction from a minor to a major road FWIW...
Bike should have waited, worse case should have been over to the right knowing traffic could well have been coming off the main carriage way at 50 mph.
It's embarrassing to be a cyclist sometimes.
SO are you saying if the cyclist had been two feet to the right (not in the gutter) he would have been in more or less danger?
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