Van driver narrowly avoids cyclist
Discussion
DoubleD said:
frisbee said:
DoubleD said:
"Dominating" the lane nearly got him knocked off
Exactly how would riding in the gutter would help in this case? The van driver didn't see the cyclist until it was almost to late, whether the cyclist was in the gutter or not, the van would still need to take avoiding action.If anything, being out from the gutter would made the cyclist more visible.
Randy Winkman said:
DoubleD said:
frisbee said:
DoubleD said:
"Dominating" the lane nearly got him knocked off
Exactly how would riding in the gutter would help in this case? The van driver didn't see the cyclist until it was almost to late, whether the cyclist was in the gutter or not, the van would still need to take avoiding action.If anything, being out from the gutter would made the cyclist more visible.
TheRainMaker said:
WinstonWolf said:
The bike was established on the slip road well before the van arrived.
It's a filter lane, its classed as part of the main highway. If it was a bike that angrily swerved around a pedestrian, then gave a close pass to make a point, he'd be facing calls for Hung/Drawn/Quartered.
saaby93 said:
TheRainMaker said:
What would have happened if a car had pulled out on a bike doing 30 mph from a distance of 50 meters and then drove at 10 mph?
Lets see if I get sucked into this 
Rather than a car take a tractor
The van could easily have done the same thing, tucked in behind - waargh it's going far slower than I thought, undertaken it and carried on
A tractors bigger than a bike though, so may not be a fair comparison
Byker28i said:
FiF said:
Again, agreed. It's impossible to tell from the footage if the van was signalling when the cyclist made the decision to go. Based on the unintelligent moves suspect not, doesn't appear to be a forward thinking driver to me, perhaps not very much going in between the ears, full stop, rule off.
Equally on that point, the cyclist took the decision to pull out in front of a van assuming it was going straight on rather than turning off. I mean, cyclists aren't know for their patience
So based on that unintelligent moves, doesn't appear to be a forward thinking cyclist to me, even if he thinks he's fully in the right, protected by cyclecams, perhaps not very much going in between the ears, full stop, rule off
Realistically it was said days ago, Cyclist pulled and into filter lane, van driver didn't anticipate the cyclist staying out so far, or not moving off so quickly and took avoiding action. Van driver takes the majority of the blame for the close pass, but the cyclist has to take a small proportion as well. Thats probably why the coppers weren't interested.
As said days ago, only the self righteous cyclists wont have it, because it doesn't fit their perceptions that everyone is out to get them
Cyclist pulled into a fast road and was well across the carriageway and into the slip road before the van arrived. Ergo, he gave way and didn't impede his fellow road user.
Than Van through either anger or s
t driving, chose to give a very close pass and cut in. The cyclist could have say and waited, or walked his bike across the road, but his culpability is minuscule compared to the Van driverByker28i said:
Possible a subject for a separate thread, but is it time to ban cyclists from major roads?
There's usually a MAMIL (Middle-aged Man In Lycra) holding up traffic on A roads these days, especially when the Tour de France is on.
Even when you get past, they catch up at traffic lights, ride the pavement to get to the front of the queue and hold everyone up again.
You can usually find them riding in the middle of the road, because it's safest (not in the gutter - I get that) and then gesturing when you overtake because you hadn't given them the space they deemed appropriate, despite the fact you've passed as far as possible on the other side of the road.
Heaven help you if you come across a calamity, sorry peleton, of weekend riders, two or three abreast. "We've got every right to be here, we've got cameras you know" as they ride blocking NSL roads at 10-15mph.
So an easier life for everyone. Cyclists can't ride on major roads unless there's a bike lane, thus avoiding the major cause of friction. Less interaction at speed means less accidents, less reasons for cyclists/motorists to complain. With the major roads freed up, drivers will be more tolerant when coming across riders on minor roads.
Sorted.
Right, now about antisocial Horse Riders
OK - only if cars aren't allowed an anything other than major roads and A-Roads? Fair deal for me. ;-)There's usually a MAMIL (Middle-aged Man In Lycra) holding up traffic on A roads these days, especially when the Tour de France is on.
Even when you get past, they catch up at traffic lights, ride the pavement to get to the front of the queue and hold everyone up again.
You can usually find them riding in the middle of the road, because it's safest (not in the gutter - I get that) and then gesturing when you overtake because you hadn't given them the space they deemed appropriate, despite the fact you've passed as far as possible on the other side of the road.
Heaven help you if you come across a calamity, sorry peleton, of weekend riders, two or three abreast. "We've got every right to be here, we've got cameras you know" as they ride blocking NSL roads at 10-15mph.
So an easier life for everyone. Cyclists can't ride on major roads unless there's a bike lane, thus avoiding the major cause of friction. Less interaction at speed means less accidents, less reasons for cyclists/motorists to complain. With the major roads freed up, drivers will be more tolerant when coming across riders on minor roads.
Sorted.
Right, now about antisocial Horse Riders
Integroo said:
Byker28i said:
Possible a subject for a separate thread, but is it time to ban cyclists from major roads?
There's usually a MAMIL (Middle-aged Man In Lycra) holding up traffic on A roads these days, especially when the Tour de France is on.
Even when you get past, they catch up at traffic lights, ride the pavement to get to the front of the queue and hold everyone up again.
You can usually find them riding in the middle of the road, because it's safest (not in the gutter - I get that) and then gesturing when you overtake because you hadn't given them the space they deemed appropriate, despite the fact you've passed as far as possible on the other side of the road.
Heaven help you if you come across a calamity, sorry peleton, of weekend riders, two or three abreast. "We've got every right to be here, we've got cameras you know" as they ride blocking NSL roads at 10-15mph.
So an easier life for everyone. Cyclists can't ride on major roads unless there's a bike lane, thus avoiding the major cause of friction. Less interaction at speed means less accidents, less reasons for cyclists/motorists to complain. With the major roads freed up, drivers will be more tolerant when coming across riders on minor roads.
Sorted.
Right, now about antisocial Horse Riders
We could just ban knob heads like you from the road, would make life better for everyone. There's usually a MAMIL (Middle-aged Man In Lycra) holding up traffic on A roads these days, especially when the Tour de France is on.
Even when you get past, they catch up at traffic lights, ride the pavement to get to the front of the queue and hold everyone up again.
You can usually find them riding in the middle of the road, because it's safest (not in the gutter - I get that) and then gesturing when you overtake because you hadn't given them the space they deemed appropriate, despite the fact you've passed as far as possible on the other side of the road.
Heaven help you if you come across a calamity, sorry peleton, of weekend riders, two or three abreast. "We've got every right to be here, we've got cameras you know" as they ride blocking NSL roads at 10-15mph.
So an easier life for everyone. Cyclists can't ride on major roads unless there's a bike lane, thus avoiding the major cause of friction. Less interaction at speed means less accidents, less reasons for cyclists/motorists to complain. With the major roads freed up, drivers will be more tolerant when coming across riders on minor roads.
Sorted.
Right, now about antisocial Horse Riders
cb1965 said:
Oh FFS! No, a gutter has to have a depression by definition (to channel water), that is just the edge of the road. You call it a gutter, but it is not a gutter, it's the edge of the road and the cyclist would have been far better off much closer to it!
Edges of roads are depressed, effect of the camber.But, for f
k sake, is your argument so weak that you are arguing over the definition of a gutter? It's as relevant in this discussion as what the van driver had for breakfast.Cyclists keep away from the very edge of the road as it is covered in debris and often a s
t road surface.Terzo123 said:
You appear to be looking at this from a very blinkered position. Maybe attitudes do need to change. But looking closer to home might be a good start. If you get your own house in order then maybe you can carry the moral high ground over other road users.
As for the OP's link. As I said above it was the van not paying attention/ getting distracted. When humans are involved this is always a risk. No amount of education or training will prevent even if you are a cyclist or motorist.
Yes, there are dozens of reports of cyclists killing drivers.As for the OP's link. As I said above it was the van not paying attention/ getting distracted. When humans are involved this is always a risk. No amount of education or training will prevent even if you are a cyclist or motorist.
Oh, hang on.....
DoubleD said:
"Dominating" the lane nearly got him knocked off
Yes quite.I read that a cyclist died local to me recently - very sad of course. But the article went on to say he was part of group conducting 'time trials' on the road. This is essentially racing on a public road - surely this is madness?
cb1965 said:
Zzzzzzzzz, really sick of all the lecturing crap getting posted. You cannot argue with the fact that had be been further to the right the van would have been further away. It's bloody obvious to me and several others who ride and who have posted likewise.
And if the van hadn't set off that morning he wouldn't have been there."What if's" are a s
te retort to a losing argument.But IF he had been on the far right, he may have hit a rock and been flung into the path of the absent minded van driver, or had a puncture and been hit by a circus truck as he changed his inner tube.
saaby93 said:
M-SportMatt said:
Its bloody obvious to me the van driver was being an antagonistic prat looking to intimidate the cyclist.
and you ( or someone else ) could say the same about the cyclist re the vanand it may have neither's intention at all
Ease up a bit and try to see it's not all about confrontation
Edited by saaby93 on Friday 21st July 16:46
As a driver and cyclist, I get far more agro from drivers when on the bike than cyclists when in the car, the odd short delay from a cyclists when driving, maybe some lightless Ninjas (dont even count them as cyclists really anyway), even the gangs of roadies doing a chorus line in the middle of the road, its a very short delay that doesn't affect your safety, even if they are being ignorant aholes, compared to the time spent behind other cars.
This morning, on the bike, right of way, woman in an Audi Q5 had a parked car her side but thinks, fk you, coming through anyway, foot down leaving me a very narrow gap between her and the kerb, most wait but not Audi woman, then on the single track road I use end up with a small white van behind me, nowhere to pull over just yet and was doing 18 mph or so anyway, right on my back wheel, I indicate in to say I am letting him past and he is literally centimetres from me in his frenzy, no acknowledgement, then a close-ish pass by a pick up on a right hand bend, not that close, the problem was the trailer which was wider than the pick up by some margin and it was swinging across, had I not gone even further over (was at a sensible distance from the kerb) it would have hit me with the mudguard.
holes, compared to the time spent behind other cars.This morning, on the bike, right of way, woman in an Audi Q5 had a parked car her side but thinks, f
k you, coming through anyway, foot down leaving me a very narrow gap between her and the kerb, most wait but not Audi woman, then on the single track road I use end up with a small white van behind me, nowhere to pull over just yet and was doing 18 mph or so anyway, right on my back wheel, I indicate in to say I am letting him past and he is literally centimetres from me in his frenzy, no acknowledgement, then a close-ish pass by a pick up on a right hand bend, not that close, the problem was the trailer which was wider than the pick up by some margin and it was swinging across, had I not gone even further over (was at a sensible distance from the kerb) it would have hit me with the mudguard.mybrainhurts said:
Randy Winkman said:
As a keen cyclist for years I'd not have considered myself safer by moving to the right. That would just make it easier for people to skim past with complete disregard.
So you think it's ok to baulk motorised traffic at 10mph on a 50mph slip road, then?10mph? No way would a cyclist ride that slowly on such a road.
DoubleD said:
mybrainhurts said:
Randy Winkman said:
As a keen cyclist for years I'd not have considered myself safer by moving to the right. That would just make it easier for people to skim past with complete disregard.
So you think it's ok to baulk motorised traffic at 10mph on a 50mph slip road, then?I was driving locally on Saturday and our local drayman from the local brewer was out delivering on his horse and cart, said cart pulled out in front of me, causing me to gently brake and then held up the traffic momentarily whilst turning right.
Guess what, I didn't feel the need to get right behind him, I didn't feel the need to make a close pass and swerve at the horse and I didn't feel any negative emotion.
I saw him, realised that he was a vulnerable road user who takes more time than a car to pull out of a junction and i let him go safely about his business whilst happily carrying on with mine albeit 4 seconds slower.
Mainly this happened because i'm not an entitled wker who thinks the roads are for my benefit like WVM in the OP
Guess what, I didn't feel the need to get right behind him, I didn't feel the need to make a close pass and swerve at the horse and I didn't feel any negative emotion.
I saw him, realised that he was a vulnerable road user who takes more time than a car to pull out of a junction and i let him go safely about his business whilst happily carrying on with mine albeit 4 seconds slower.
Mainly this happened because i'm not an entitled w
ker who thinks the roads are for my benefit like WVM in the OPM-SportMatt said:
I was driving locally on Saturday and our local drayman from the local brewer was out delivering on his horse and cart, said cart pulled out in front of me, causing me to gently brake and then held up the traffic momentarily whilst turning right.
Guess what, I didn't feel the need to get right behind him, I didn't feel the need to make a close pass and swerve at the horse and I didn't feel any negative emotion.
I saw him, realised that he was a vulnerable road user who takes more time than a car to pull out of a junction and i let him go safely about his business whilst happily carrying on with mine albeit 4 seconds slower.
Mainly this happened because i'm not an entitled wker who thinks the roads are for my benefit like WVM in the OP
A good attitude to have, ok, nobody wants to be held up but a lot of the angst is for no actual reason, most of us arent on a mercy dash where its a life or death situation, stuff will get in your way when driving, people will make mistakes, people will be dicks, best to try and rise above it and just look after your own driving or riding.Guess what, I didn't feel the need to get right behind him, I didn't feel the need to make a close pass and swerve at the horse and I didn't feel any negative emotion.
I saw him, realised that he was a vulnerable road user who takes more time than a car to pull out of a junction and i let him go safely about his business whilst happily carrying on with mine albeit 4 seconds slower.
Mainly this happened because i'm not an entitled w
ker who thinks the roads are for my benefit like WVM in the OPJ4CKO said:
M-SportMatt said:
I was driving locally on Saturday and our local drayman from the local brewer was out delivering on his horse and cart, said cart pulled out in front of me, causing me to gently brake and then held up the traffic momentarily whilst turning right.
Guess what, I didn't feel the need to get right behind him, I didn't feel the need to make a close pass and swerve at the horse and I didn't feel any negative emotion.
I saw him, realised that he was a vulnerable road user who takes more time than a car to pull out of a junction and i let him go safely about his business whilst happily carrying on with mine albeit 4 seconds slower.
Mainly this happened because i'm not an entitled wker who thinks the roads are for my benefit like WVM in the OP
A good attitude to have, ok, nobody wants to be held up but a lot of the angst is for no actual reason, most of us arent on a mercy dash where its a life or death situation, stuff will get in your way when driving, people will make mistakes, people will be dicks, best to try and rise above it and just look after your own driving or riding.Guess what, I didn't feel the need to get right behind him, I didn't feel the need to make a close pass and swerve at the horse and I didn't feel any negative emotion.
I saw him, realised that he was a vulnerable road user who takes more time than a car to pull out of a junction and i let him go safely about his business whilst happily carrying on with mine albeit 4 seconds slower.
Mainly this happened because i'm not an entitled w
ker who thinks the roads are for my benefit like WVM in the OPAres said:
DoubleD said:
mybrainhurts said:
Randy Winkman said:
As a keen cyclist for years I'd not have considered myself safer by moving to the right. That would just make it easier for people to skim past with complete disregard.
So you think it's ok to baulk motorised traffic at 10mph on a 50mph slip road, then?Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff