RE: Lotus Evora GT430 - official!

[Tickle]

blueg33 said:

Well said

Indeed

[Thorburn]

Havoc856-S said:

It always goes the same way on both PH and meets - a certain type of Porsche drivers (whilst the other type look apologetically on at the unfortunate target) gobbing off about how their 911XXX or Cayman GT4 is better. Quoting 0-62 or how much faster a 911/GT4 apparently goes around the 'ring. Making comparisons that are, quite frankly moot - neither of us are Nigel Mansell.

I dunno, talking bks to people who don't care seems like pretty Nigel Mansell'ish behaviour, so they might be.

The whole thing ends up faintly ludicrous, you get people saying cars that take longer than 8 seconds to get to 100mph are 'slow'. Can't say it bothers me that much, I have more fun driving round in my 118bhp Elise than the 595bhp V12 Vantage S. Even driving the Elise I'm lifting off down most straights when driving on the road, in the Vantage you can rarely keep the throttle open for more than a few seconds at a time without things getting really silly.

Edited by Thorburn on Monday 24th July 09:01

[blueg33]

Thorburn said:

I dunno, talking bks to people who don't care seems like pretty Nigel Mansell'ish behaviour, so they might be.

The whole thing ends up faintly ludicrous, you get people saying cars that take longer than 8 seconds to get to 100mph are 'slow'. Can't say it bothers me that much, I have more fun driving round in my 118bhp Elise than the 595bhp V12 Vantage S. Even driving the Elise I'm lifting off down most straights when driving on the road, in the Vantage you can rarely keep the throttle open for more than a few seconds at a time without things getting really silly.

You quoted the wrong person although I do agree with his post.

[Gandahar]

I don't want to get into the cost v performance thing but certain supercars are looking less and less good looking, yes you Ferrari, the rear of the 430 still looks mouth watering for a PH person



Rather alarmed to see that a Lotus, which are great for B roads having

"Michelin Cup 2 tyres (245/35 R19 fronts, 295/30 R20 rears),"

Er that is insane for a Lotus. Bring back the 175s !!! Bag of pork scratchings for some dashboard cam on a B road blast with one of these and getting the tail out.....



I want one NOW just to show how bad a driver I am ........

Edited by Gandahar on Monday 24th July 05:31

[Thorburn]

blueg33 said:

You quoted the wrong person although I do agree with his post.

Oops, was being lazy and hit Quote All then kept the wrong name. Corrected.

[Europa1]

mjlloyd500 said:

still a turd

I'm not sure critiquing sports cars is your forte.

[DonkeyApple]

Europa1 said:

mjlloyd500 said:

still a turd

I'm not sure critiquing sports cars is your forte.

I thought he was critiquing that Boxster Ladyshave shmuck?

[Fetchez la vache]

kambites said:

In a straight line, I agree. It's giving away the best part of 50bhp/tonne isn't it?

Who buys a lotus to drive in a straight line?
Maybe if you're tracking it it'd come in handy on some circuits but for the 97% (finger in the air) who'll buy one for a spirited drive home / at the weekends straight line speed surely isn't point, unless I'm way off the mark...

"Lotus - buy one because our remit is to be the fastest in a straight line" - said no Lotus marketing material ever.
I don't think there's a straight line in the whole of Norfolk.

[kambites]

I was merely responding to the question of whether it will be as fast as a GT3; I make no comment on whether that matters.

For me to 276bhp naturally aspirated Evora was fast enough for road use but clearly straight-line speed and/or pub bragging rights matter to a great many people.

[treborcccp]

This is what the Evora should have been from the start and not a restricted 60 car run that will be bought by speculators for profit ..i only hope the new owners see this as i see it as a slap in the face for loyal lotus fans and owners .The Evora was always under powered and cried out for more dynamic styling ,if the inventors of aerodynamics could not do it who could???

This car should be available to all at the 100k mark not just the chosen few nothing here that could not have been supplied by tuners and body kits lets hope they have put as much effort into the quality of the assembly of the car and its interior.

A true Lotus fan...

[DonkeyApple]

I assume they offered the number they knew they could sell. Very little is all that speculative these days. If they got a nice surprise at some additional demand then I'm sure they'll do another run and if the market is there it will keep on being delivered.

An interesting aspect of an earlier post is accurate is that only. 6 of the 60 had UK buyers. That gives a real indication as to where the money is these days!

[Cold]

DonkeyApple said:

An interesting aspect of an earlier post is accurate is that only. 6 of the 60 had UK buyers. That gives a real indication as to where the money is these days!

I think Hethel state they export around 80% of their manufacturing output.

[Porsche911R]

saaby93 said:

So a new Elise is £30k, one ten years old is £15k
Is that 5% per year?

What's wrong with the 50/50 deals?

50/50 deals get people who cannot really afford the car into the car, then they have to give it back in 2 years as they cannot repay the last 50% !

It's ok if you have the extra 50% in 2 years but it seems people don't ! or worse have to than finance the 50%

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 24th July 14:27

[kambites]

If one wants to blame car companies for offering finance deals which tend to result in their customers handing over a lot of money and not actually owning anything at the end, you need to take every manufacturer to task.

Paying 50% of the value of the car for two years' ownership is certainly a bit steeper than average, but hardly a different order of magnitude to the market norm.

Edited by kambites on Monday 24th July 14:19

[Porsche911R]

Tuna said:

Mr Demon old fella, from the long, long history of your posts, the day you actually buy a Lotus instead of trolling the boards will be the day hell has officially frozen over.

I don't think it's something anyone here is counting on, nor a prerequisite for their ongoing success.

I have bought 2 Lotus cars one Brand new Elise and one Exige and spent a happy 5 years in them, you know very little about me ;-) So it's best not to judge others imo. I still do the odd LOT track day and take my Spyder. If one is into cars one is into Lotus.

All well and good the normal group of people saying they would buy a new Lotus if they had the money, when they drive an S1 or any other 5+ year old Lotus.

It's very easy to say what you would buy if you could, it's much harder to part with the cash if you are serious buyer like I am.

[Porsche911R]

kambites said:

If one wants to blame car companies for offering finance deals which tend to result in their customers handing over a lot of money and not actually owning anything at the end, you need to take every manufacturer to task.

Paying 50% of the value of the car for two years' ownership is certainly a bit steeper than average, but hardly a different order of magnitude to the market norm.

Edited by kambites on Monday 24th July 14:19

As the UK has 360BN in unsecured loans It's going to catch up with the people when interest rates rise and people keep defaulting on the loans to pay the mortgage.

I Think PCP will be the next PPI scandle.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 24th July 14:27

[Tuna]

Cold said:

DonkeyApple said:

An interesting aspect of an earlier post is accurate is that only. 6 of the 60 had UK buyers. That gives a real indication as to where the money is these days!

I think Hethel state they export around 80% of their manufacturing output.

It's been the case for years (and probably even more so since the pound dropped). Conversations on here often start with the assumption that Lotus are making cars for British drivers. They aren't, and haven't been for some time now.

[DonkeyApple]

Indeed. If they were then the Evora would have a Diesel engine and a cashback deal.

[CABC]

Porsche911R said:

All well and good the normal group of people saying they would buy a new Lotus if they had the money, when they drive an S1 or any other 5+ year old Lotus.
.

better posts David, with some valid points, though not exclusive to Lotus.

Problem with Elise/Exige is that they're like Caterhams. No need to upgrade as the experience is raw and largely the same. You need new and shiny when talking about daily drives, engine power (rather than chassis), and all the creature comforts.

The real driver's Porsches aren't mainstream cars, as you know. Porsche is a brand that shifts soft heavy cars to people who, for the most part, don't really drive them that well, or even care. They're successful. Lotus need new customers and ones that buy an image, just being a great drive isn't enough. A crossover is needed.

[anniesdad]

treborcccp said:

This is what the Evora should have been from the start and not a restricted 60 car run that will be bought by speculators for profit ..i only hope the new owners see this as i see it as a slap in the face for loyal lotus fans and owners .The Evora was always under powered and cried out for more dynamic styling ,if the inventors of aerodynamics could not do it who could???

This car should be available to all at the 100k mark not just the chosen few nothing here that could not have been supplied by tuners and body kits lets hope they have put as much effort into the quality of the assembly of the car and its interior.

A true Lotus fan...

Lotus went for a slice of the daily driver Cayman market with the Evora and who can blame them? It was/is a world first in that it's a rear mid engined 2+2, no other company had done that before and for that Lotus should be applauded.

I went to the original cars launch and it was obvious that the objective was to massively improve the quality of the product so as to win a slice of that market. As it happens it still wasn't quite good enough to tempt those P. owners from their cars and for them to make the compromise on the interior/exterior build quality so as to enjoy a car that dynamically was anything but inferior to the Cayman.

Launching the Evora was all about that market initially, had they launched with this GT430 I'm not quite sure what the reaction would have been! I'd like to think overwhelmingly positive! I mean....just look at it!