Primary secondary position -good or bad for cycling driving?

[M-SportMatt]

Mandalore said:

Clearly, the two of you aren't hypocritical when it comes to criticizing others about training and have always continued over the years to use the hand signals you were taught during your cycling proficiency tests as children??

Turning left/right
Slowing down.
Hazard ahead.
etc.
etc.

Yep I use hand signals on the bike all the time....

[M-SportMatt]

saaby93 said:

Look most cyclists are ok with their bikes and most drivers are ok with those cyclists
Of the others, which end is the tool is open for question
All I'm asking here is whether the Primary Secondary position ( and Gutter) mantra is actually doing any good for cycling, let alone the knock on effect on driving.

I think you're getting confused here....the primary/secondary position 'mantra' is just new words for what has always been taught. I explained this a while back, but as with many things you choose to ignore things that don't support your view.

[Ares]

saaby93 said:

Ares said:

As a cyclist, that never rides in a city(!), I will alway ride 18-24" from the edge of the road, which from memory is what the Highway Code suggests?

Maybe discuss what the Highway Code does or doesnt say with Mave, but it's not what I'm asking

I wasn't talking to you? I was responding to WW.

[Mave]

saaby93 said:

Ares said:

As a cyclist, that never rides in a city(!), I will alway ride 18-24" from the edge of the road, which from memory is what the Highway Code suggests?

Maybe discuss what the Highway Code does or doesnt say with Mave, but it's not what I'm asking

Well, you've made comments about what the 'normal rules' are, but I can't work out where you found them.

[Ares]

Mave said:

saaby93 said:

Ares said:

As a cyclist, that never rides in a city(!), I will alway ride 18-24" from the edge of the road, which from memory is what the Highway Code suggests?

Maybe discuss what the Highway Code does or doesnt say with Mave, but it's not what I'm asking

Well, you've made comments about what the 'normal rules' are, but I can't work out where you found them.

As with life, what is 'normal'. I'm guessing its an opinion that is in desperate need of verification?

[Mandalore]

M-SportMatt said:

Mandalore said:

Clearly, the two of you aren't hypocritical when it comes to criticizing others about training and have always continued over the years to use the hand signals you were taught during your cycling proficiency tests as children??

Turning left/right
Slowing down.
Hazard ahead.
etc.
etc.

Yep I use hand signals on the bike all the time....

[Mave]

Kuji said:

Maybe you just need better tyres and some suitable suspension on your bikes, to make the gutters more usable?

Seems pretty obvious to everyone, (who isn't a militant prone to baling other people for their own faults).

Do you drive along with your left wheels in the gutter?

[saaby93]

Just to be clear we're not talking about whether cyclists should ride in the gutter
You can see from this photo how it would be crazy so can everyone stop saying it

[budgie smuggler]

Kuji said:

Maybe you just need better tyres and some suitable suspension on your bikes, to make the gutters more usable?

Seems pretty obvious to everyone, (who isn't a militant prone to baling other people for their own faults who doesn't know jack st about riding a bike on the road).

FTFY

[Mave]

saaby93 said:

Just to be clear we're not talking about whether cyclists should ride in the gutter
You can see from this photo how it would be crazy so can everyone stop saying it

Well no, some people DO seem to be saying that cyclists should ride in the gutter.

[saaby93]

Mave said:

saaby93 said:

Just to be clear we're not talking about whether cyclists should ride in the gutter
You can see from this photo how it would be crazy so can everyone stop saying it

Well no, some people DO seem to be saying that cyclists should ride in the gutter.

Have we put a lid on that now?

[Kuji]

Mave said:

saaby93 said:

Just to be clear we're not talking about whether cyclists should ride in the gutter
You can see from this photo how it would be crazy so can everyone stop saying it

Well no, some people DO seem to be saying that cyclists should ride in the gutter.

if you lot think every kerb side bit of the road network looks like that, then it explains a lot about why you post what you do.

[saaby93]

Kuji said:

Mave said:

saaby93 said:

Just to be clear we're not talking about whether cyclists should ride in the gutter
You can see from this photo how it would be crazy so can everyone stop saying it

Well no, some people DO seem to be saying that cyclists should ride in the gutter.

if you lot think every kerb side bit of the road network looks like that, then it explains a lot about why you post what you do.

There is no kerb
However it might explain why some people argue oranges and pears about it
Quite often you see cyclists riding to the left of the solid white line there ( but not in the gutter) and sometimes right of the line

Edited by saaby93 on Friday 28th July 13:32

[Kuji]

budgie smuggler said:

Kuji said:

Maybe you just need better tyres and some suitable suspension on your bikes, to make the gutters more usable?

Seems pretty obvious to everyone, who isn't a militant prone to baling other people for their own faults & change their words to some mindless bks

FTFY

FTBFY

[Kuji]

saaby93 said:

There is no kerb

Give the boy a prize!

[Kuji]

Mave said:

Kuji said:

Maybe you just need better tyres and some suitable suspension on your bikes, to make the gutters more usable?

Seems pretty obvious to everyone, (who isn't a militant prone to baling other people for their own faults).

Do you drive along with your left wheels in the gutter?

Yes, sometimes I do.

Usually without having to be in some form or AWD monster truck.

[saaby93]

Kuji said:

saaby93 said:

There is no kerb

Give the boy a prize!

Just saying like

[Kuji]

Kuji said:

Maybe you simply need to choose a bike with a tyre suitable for the road conditions prevalent in this country.

Then the drain covers and refuse wouldn't require you to 'put yourself' at risk.

[saaby93]

Kuji said:

If the paved bit each side is the gutter, surely no-ones suggesting anyone should cycle there either?

[saaby93]

saaby93 said:

Just to be clear we're not talking about whether cyclists should ride in the gutter
You can see from this photo how it would be crazy so can everyone stop saying it

To be clear to be clear
The gutter is on the left and no one uses that or would be expected to
Most 'normal' cyclists use the piece left of the white line ( they can get a tow from passing traffic too)
a minority hold so called secondary position to the right of the white line - maybe about foot or so
And the very odd one primary position centre lane