Primary secondary position -good or bad for cycling driving?

[saaby93]

Kuji said:

Bleat all you want, you have clearly bought the wrong tool for the job in hand.

Look most cyclists are ok with their bikes and most drivers are ok with those cyclists
Of the others, which end is the tool is open for question
All I'm asking here is whether the Primary Secondary position ( and Gutter) mantra is actually doing any good for cycling, let alone the knock on effect on driving.

[saaby93]

Ares said:

As a cyclist, that never rides in a city(!), I will alway ride 18-24" from the edge of the road, which from memory is what the Highway Code suggests?

Maybe discuss what the Highway Code does or doesnt say with Mave, but it's not what I'm asking

[saaby93]

Just to be clear we're not talking about whether cyclists should ride in the gutter
You can see from this photo how it would be crazy so can everyone stop saying it

[saaby93]

Mave said:

saaby93 said:

Just to be clear we're not talking about whether cyclists should ride in the gutter
You can see from this photo how it would be crazy so can everyone stop saying it

Well no, some people DO seem to be saying that cyclists should ride in the gutter.

Have we put a lid on that now?

[saaby93]

Kuji said:

Mave said:

saaby93 said:

Just to be clear we're not talking about whether cyclists should ride in the gutter
You can see from this photo how it would be crazy so can everyone stop saying it

Well no, some people DO seem to be saying that cyclists should ride in the gutter.

if you lot think every kerb side bit of the road network looks like that, then it explains a lot about why you post what you do.

There is no kerb
However it might explain why some people argue oranges and pears about it
Quite often you see cyclists riding to the left of the solid white line there ( but not in the gutter) and sometimes right of the line

Edited by saaby93 on Friday 28th July 13:32

[saaby93]

Kuji said:

saaby93 said:

There is no kerb

Give the boy a prize!

Just saying like

[saaby93]

Kuji said:

If the paved bit each side is the gutter, surely no-ones suggesting anyone should cycle there either?

[saaby93]

saaby93 said:

Just to be clear we're not talking about whether cyclists should ride in the gutter
You can see from this photo how it would be crazy so can everyone stop saying it

To be clear to be clear
The gutter is on the left and no one uses that or would be expected to
Most 'normal' cyclists use the piece left of the white line ( they can get a tow from passing traffic too)
a minority hold so called secondary position to the right of the white line - maybe about foot or so
And the very odd one primary position centre lane

[saaby93]

WinstonWolf said:

Ah, so you're talking about cycling on A roads are you, not normal round town roads?

Not really I'm just asking if this primary secondary gutter malarchy is giving cycling generally a bad name and leading to poor attitude from motorists
Why not just ask what is sensible - what would most people do here?
As far as I can tell the worst position to be in there is secondary
Normal position drivers move over a bit but stay in lane
Primary position they accept they have to change lane, assuming theyve noticed the car in front suddenly change lane
Secondary can give rise to some dodgy passing and hand waving

[saaby93]

WinstonWolf said:

You do adapt your driving depending on the conditions don't you?

Why would anyone bother doing that
You do write some stuff sometimes

[saaby93]

WinstonWolf said:

You seem to be under the illusion that driving/riding is black and white.

Between the two of us I dont think it's me who that cap fits

[saaby93]

M-SportMatt said:

Unfortunately some road users fail to understand the hazards faced by a cyclist and deem them to be non existent and their journey more important.....these people are prevalent on this thread......

Look for another unfortunately
Out of the 3 positions on the photo might you deem unfortunate if someone thought they were following the hard and fast gutter primary secondary rules but didnt realise your or winstons 'to conditions' applies

Then respond in relation to the thread topic is it good or bad for cycling/driving