Primary secondary position -good or bad for cycling driving?

[chow pan toon]

saaby93 said:

Out of the 3 positions on the photo might you deem unfortunate if someone thought they were following the hard and fast gutter primary secondary rules but didnt realise your or winstons 'to conditions' applies

Do people commonly hold one of those hard and fast 3 positions on that road? I would ride to the left of the white line in normal circumstances.

[Ares]

Kuji said:

budgie smuggler said:

Kuji said:

Maybe you just need better tyres and some suitable suspension on your bikes, to make the gutters more usable?

Seems pretty obvious to everyone, who isn't a militant prone to baling other people for their own faults & change their words to some mindless bks

FTFY

FTBFY

Cite what is 'mindless bks'....

[Ares]

saaby93 said:

There is no kerb
However it might explain why some people argue oranges and pears about it
Quite often you see cyclists riding to the left of the solid white line there ( but not in the gutter) and sometimes right of the line

Edited by saaby93 on Friday 28th July 13:32

It's almost as if cyclists will cycle as far left as is realistically practical and safe, dependant on the road and conditions in question.

[Ares]

Kuji said:

Mave said:

Kuji said:

Maybe you just need better tyres and some suitable suspension on your bikes, to make the gutters more usable?

Seems pretty obvious to everyone, (who isn't a militant prone to baling other people for their own faults).

Do you drive along with your left wheels in the gutter?

Yes, sometimes I do.

Usually without having to be in some form or AWD monster truck.

Really? I think any doubt that your opinions are invalid has been qualified.

[Ares]

saaby93 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Ah, so you're talking about cycling on A roads are you, not normal round town roads?

Not really I'm just asking if this primary secondary gutter malarchy is giving cycling generally a bad name and leading to poor attitude from motorists
Why not just ask what is sensible - what would most people do here?
As far as I can tell the worst position to be in there is secondary
Normal position drivers move over a bit but stay in lane
Primary position they accept they have to change lane, assuming theyve noticed the car in front suddenly change lane
Secondary can give rise to some dodgy passing and hand waving

Do yourself and everyone a favour and stop using terms like Primary position and secondary position. It's bullst made up my some idiot who doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

Cyclists (not city centre commuters) ride as far left as if safe and practical, call it what you want, we just call is riding safely and courteously.

[Kuji]

Ares said:

Kuji said:

Mave said:

Kuji said:

Maybe you just need better tyres and some suitable suspension on your bikes, to make the gutters more usable?

Seems pretty obvious to everyone, (who isn't a militant prone to baling other people for their own faults).

Do you drive along with your left wheels in the gutter?

Yes, sometimes I do.

Usually without having to be in some form or AWD monster truck.

Really? I think any doubt that your opinions are invalid has been qualified.

My car doesn't seem to have any problem with drains or uneven surfaces, on the occasions where I need to hug the kerb side.
Asking how often I do that, is about as irrelevant as the number of times I use my cars heater.



There's two obvious problems.

1. Your attitude
2. Your bike isn't fit for purpose.

Its obvious to everyone but yourself, that the roads are not going to be resurfaced countrywide to remove all the drains and uneven surfaces (you do understand that don't you??).

If your bike has problems with the (standard) uneven roads which clearly aren't smooth like a Veladrome, then you need to consider changing your bike.


Its a clear case of working with what you have, or alternatively stop bhing like a spoilt child.

[WinstonWolf]

Kuji said:

Ares said:

Kuji said:

Mave said:

Kuji said:

Maybe you just need better tyres and some suitable suspension on your bikes, to make the gutters more usable?

Seems pretty obvious to everyone, (who isn't a militant prone to baling other people for their own faults).

Do you drive along with your left wheels in the gutter?

Yes, sometimes I do.

Usually without having to be in some form or AWD monster truck.

Really? I think any doubt that your opinions are invalid has been qualified.

My car doesn't seem to have any problem with drains or uneven surfaces, on the occasions where I need to hug the kerb side.
Asking how often I do that, is about as irrelevant as the number of times I use my cars heater.



There's two obvious problems.

1. Your attitude
2. Your bike isn't fit for purpose.

Its obvious to everyone but yourself, that the roads are not going to be resurfaced countrywide to remove all the drains and uneven surfaces (you do understand that don't you??).

If your bike has problems with the (standard) uneven roads which clearly aren't smooth like a Veladrome, then you need to consider changing your bike.


Its a clear case of working with what you have, or alternatively stop bhing like a spoilt child.

You'll need to work with what you have then. The roads are poor, some road users need to avoid the gutter. Alternatively, stop...

[Mave]

Kuji said:

Ares said:

Kuji said:

Mave said:

Kuji said:

Maybe you just need better tyres and some suitable suspension on your bikes, to make the gutters more usable?

Seems pretty obvious to everyone, (who isn't a militant prone to baling other people for their own faults).

Do you drive along with your left wheels in the gutter?

Yes, sometimes I do.

Usually without having to be in some form or AWD monster truck.

Really? I think any doubt that your opinions are invalid has been qualified.

My car doesn't seem to have any problem with drains or uneven surfaces, on the occasions where I need to hug the kerb side.
Asking how often I do that, is about as irrelevant as the number of times I use my cars heater.


There's two obvious problems.

1. Your attitude
2. Your bike isn't fit for purpose.

Its obvious to everyone but yourself, that the roads are not going to be resurfaced countrywide to remove all the drains and uneven surfaces (you do understand that don't you??).

If your bike has problems with the (standard) uneven roads which clearly aren't smooth like a Veladrome, then you need to consider changing your bike.


Its a clear case of working with what you have, or alternatively stop bhing like a spoilt child.

It's a totally relevant question.
Bikes can deal with drains or uneven road surfaces on the occasions when they need to hug the kerb side.
But, just like in a car, cyclists generally chose not to for the same reasons motorists don't routinely spend most of their time with their wheels in the gutter.

There's nothing unfit for purpose about a bike that needs to slow down, or is less comfortable or stable cycling in the gutter because bikes generally have no need to sit hugging the gutter. Cyclists are generally capable of "working with what they have"; which is the area of the road that's not in the gutter. The only person complaining about it like a spoilt child is you...

[Ares]

Kuji said:

My car doesn't seem to have any problem with drains or uneven surfaces, on the occasions where I need to hug the kerb side.
Asking how often I do that, is about as irrelevant as the number of times I use my cars heater.



There's two obvious problems.

1. Your attitude
2. Your bike isn't fit for purpose.

Its obvious to everyone but yourself, that the roads are not going to be resurfaced countrywide to remove all the drains and uneven surfaces (you do understand that don't you??).

If your bike has problems with the (standard) uneven roads which clearly aren't smooth like a Veladrome, then you need to consider changing your bike.


Its a clear case of working with what you have, or alternatively stop bhing like a spoilt child.

You cannot compare a cars ability to drive on a road, with a bike. Thats either lunacy or ignorance.

On the subject of ignorance, you don't take a track road on the velodrome/track. You use a track bike. See, the clue is in the name. By bike is a road bike, Want to take a stab of a guess at where a road bike is designed to be used??

Please ask if you need help with that one.

My bike works fine on the road, no problems whatsoever. It doesn't, however, cope particular well with broken glass, flint, stone chips, and grates that resign in the first 12-18" of the road's width. Thats why the Highway Code states to ride 18" from the side of the road.

I don't need the roads to be resurfaced. I have significantly greater issues with potholes in my cars than I do on the bike.


PS - I'm not bhing. I'm just telling you why road cyclists ride on the road, on road bikes. I ride around 12-1500km every month, all for pleasure, no commuting. I have no issues, I have no need to bh, cycling is great - you should try it. I've just come back from Ride London and had a great time.

PPS - om the subject of attitude, I suggest you check your own.

PPPS - if a road bike isn't suitable for use on a road, it begs two questions....where is a road bike suitable for? And what bike is suitable for road use?