Honda Civic - 1.8 i-VTEC or 2.2 i CTDi?

[alexlane989]

ZX10R NIN said:

If you want a diesel which can be fun remapped to provide a reliable 200-215bhp & hustled down a B road at a good lick then you're looking at the wrong car.

What you want is one of these:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

This one has had the work done already:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

If you really want the Honda then the 2.2 is more tuneable be aware that you'll need to leave some money aside to buy a clutch at some point, when you do buy an uprated one & that won't be an issue again then just enjoy tuning & upgrading the car.

I've tuned both petrol & diesel cars they're different power delivery means you have to adjust your style of driving when pressing on but a mapped diesel will be quicker than the 1.8.

Another car worth seeking out if insurance is okay will be the Alpina D3 you won't need to modify it & you get a very sweet steer to boot.

D3

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Thank you has helped a lot! Next step is to test drive both!

[anonymous-user]

jackh707 said:

The type r on the other hand wasn't as quick unless you were using the upper half of the rev range and is crashy with terrible road noise however it is a "proper drivers car" when you are on it and I loved mine.
Feels more special than the standard car but quite tiring if you aren't game to stir the gearbox and use the revs.

This is my conundrum I'm having. I know the Type R will be fantastic on a good road or when you're on it. I'd be looking at a facelift, with the hope of getting a 10 plate lsd.

However my Monday to Friday commute is motorway and some start stop traffic. All I'll be experiencing for the majority of my mileage is the downsides of the Type R. The thing I hate the most, only from what I've read, is the harsh ride. I had a 330ci sport and I hated the ride as it offered nothing unless you were on a smooth road.

I'll be effectively paying for the weekend in which I'm busy most of the time to go out for a drive.

[ZX10R NIN]

AB57 said:

This is my conundrum I'm having. I know the Type R will be fantastic on a good road or when you're on it. I'd be looking at a facelift, with the hope of getting a 10 plate lsd.

However my Monday to Friday commute is motorway and some start stop traffic. All I'll be experiencing for the majority of my mileage is the downsides of the Type R. The thing I hate the most, only from what I've read, is the harsh ride. I had a 330ci sport and I hated the ride as it offered nothing unless you were on a smooth road.

I'll be effectively paying for the weekend in which I'm busy most of the time to go out for a drive.

Test drive one a good compromise is the Focus ST whilst not being as sharp as the Civic but it's not far off & that 2.5T is a cracking engine in it's own right but in a different way to the Civic.

[Loyly]

Honda's 1.8 petrol engines are very good. They are very smooth, usefully quick at lower engine speeds and pleasantly spritely at the top of the rev range. I had a CRZ courtesy car from Honda last year with the 2.0 petrol and it was quite surprising, in that it hauled that SUV along very nicely and made for quite a fun drive! So they have no trouble propelling a Civic along.

If you're after sheer grunt then the diesel has plenty of cheap tuning options available but you can expect the clutch to wear quickly and the DMF to grumble, so factor in the cost of upgrading both components as a DMF failure could be catastrophic. The 2.2 is a heavy old engine so it sacrifices some handling balance over the 1.8. The ninth generation Civic addressed this issue, they moved to the 1.6 i-DTEC diesel that is as light as the 1.8 petrol engine.

[anonymous-user]

ZX10R NIN said:

Test drive one a good compromise is the Focus ST whilst not being as sharp as the Civic but it's not far off & that 2.5T is a cracking engine in it's own right but in a different way to the Civic.

Yeah I really need to. Guess that will either make it or break it.

Had a look at the focus but the thirsty engine and interior put me off, mind you it was a cooking model. I know the ST-3 spec is a lot nicer but it just didn't do it for me. Also I test drove a Mk5 GTI and while it was nice inside I just didn't like the feel of the turbo, I'm sure I'd like it after a while but after driving NAs for years it just felt strange.

[Willy Nilly]

Loyly said:

Honda's 1.8 petrol engines are very good. They are very smooth, usefully quick at lower engine speeds and pleasantly spritely at the top of the rev range. I had a CRZ courtesy car from Honda last year with the 2.0 petrol and it was quite surprising, in that it hauled that SUV along very nicely and made for quite a fun drive! So they have no trouble propelling a Civic along.

CRZ is a 2 seater hybrid sports(ish) car, CRV is the SUV.

[anonymous-user]

I used to borrow the 2.2d versions of these regularly, they did that diesel trick of feeling really fast while being not really all that fast. Loads of them had slipping clutches before three years old, so I'd be very reluctant to remap.

My dad has recently moved on the 2006 1.8i that he's owned from new and says it's the best car he ever had. He used to average well over 40mpg, it went well, and has been totally faultless over ten years.

I wouldn't buy one though, the ride quality is truly dreadful in both of them and particularly lumpen and unpleasant in the back.

[aka_kerrly]

alexlane989 said:

Was looking to daily it and want something with a bit of go when I put my foot down, also looking to tune it/remap it

In that case either go Type R or CTDI. A friend of mine as an Accord with the 2.2d lump in it and he has it remapped so that it now runs about 200hp and 300pounds torque. I went for a blast in it the other day an it was rather entertaining and would definitely leave a 1.8 petrol behind! Not anywhere near Type R levels of fun though!!

[daemon]

My son ran a 1.8i Civic for two years. He drove the life out of it. Gave it dogs abuse and it never gave ANY trouble.

Was capable of decent MPG too. Only think we did was stick an induction kit on it.

We'd strongly recommend one.

[ZX10R NIN]

AB57 said:

Yeah I really need to. Guess that will either make it or break it.

Had a look at the focus but the thirsty engine and interior put me off, mind you it was a cooking model. I know the ST-3 spec is a lot nicer but it just didn't do it for me. Also I test drove a Mk5 GTI and while it was nice inside I just didn't like the feel of the turbo, I'm sure I'd like it after a while but after driving NAs for years it just felt strange.

The engine really isn't that bad fuel wise I used to average 25mpg from mine & that was running near to 360bhp so they're not that bad I'd say 2-4mpg down on a 2.0 4 pot turbo. They're nicer in ST-3 spec test drives will help you decide also the Megane RS is the sharpest hot hatch out there so maybe test drive that too.

[Welshbeef]

They do however chuck a lot of soot out.

[Packrats]

If you do go for the 2.2 derv.. tdi north are the lads to tune it up for you

[Vyse]

The induction kit?

daemon said:

My son ran a 1.8i Civic for two years. He drove the life out of it. Gave it dogs abuse and it never gave ANY trouble.

Was capable of decent MPG too. Only think we did was stick an induction kit on it.

We'd strongly recommend one.

[Loyly]

Willy Nilly said:

CRZ is a 2 seater hybrid sports(ish) car, CRV is the SUV.

Yes, how silly of me! The CRV was good. I also had a fully optioned HRV as a courtesy car that I kept for a couple of days, that was surprisingly good with the 1.6 i-DTEC engine. Surprisingly chuckable, quite a premium feel to the cabin and that excellent engine.