RE: Range Rover Velar: Review
Discussion
I've run a 5.0 supercharged ranger over sport from new for 33k. Most reliable car I've had. The sales.process was horrendous ( crooked! - sound a bit trumpian there dont I) but service had been great with the couple of problems the car has had.
Re the velar, like the exterior , but interior has too many cheaper plastics. I know it's a lower cost version but still 60- 80 K. Don't want hard plastics ( albeit in not prime areas ) on my range rover product.
Re the velar, like the exterior , but interior has too many cheaper plastics. I know it's a lower cost version but still 60- 80 K. Don't want hard plastics ( albeit in not prime areas ) on my range rover product.
Ares said:
BarcelonaLewis said:
If I saw this, or any other Range Rover for the first time I'd be really impressed.
But, when you live in a city where it seems every third driver either has this or a German equivalent, all with heavy tints and a personalised plate, none of which have ever left tarmac, they, and the people who drive them, just seem more and more ridiculous.
Do you think the same of Sports Cars that have never been on track?But, when you live in a city where it seems every third driver either has this or a German equivalent, all with heavy tints and a personalised plate, none of which have ever left tarmac, they, and the people who drive them, just seem more and more ridiculous.
paralla said:
A move away from substance towards chintz and fashion seems like it will probably work in the short term but it does dilute the brand if you ask me.
Remember when you could put a winch on a Range Rover and the buttons were designed so you could use them while wearing winter gloves/.
Sure the thousands of school run mums on the way to the prep are bemoaning the lack of a winch, things change and the folk that have an RR product and need a winch regularly, you could probably count on one hand and they would buy something more suitable anyway, they design for the core market, not a notional or historic one. Remember when you could put a winch on a Range Rover and the buttons were designed so you could use them while wearing winter gloves/.
They are now a luxury car, they were expensive and quite posh when they came out, but with a lot more of a utility angle but that has been bred out as people dont spend 80k plus on a luxury car to winch stuff and people who winch regularly stuff dont spend 80k plus, they spend 20 to 30 on a Japanese crew cab pickup which is actually a lot nearer to the original RR in form and function, but, crucially doesnt make the manufacturer nearly as much profit.
Things change, Brands do, marketers are much more aware than they ever used to be, imagine the RR marketing back in 1970 vs now, much more invested and 46 years to build on, only perhaps in the last five or so has it really found its swagger, kind of become properly aware of what it is, and wants to be, it is all about sales, getting money off people by whatever means they can.
A Range Rover when I was a kid in the eighties was a fairly rare sight, but now, there are two on our road alone and they are everywhere, maybe it has been diluted but history is strewn with undiluted failures, its a rare company that ploughs the same furrow for decades, doesnt really grow and keeps going, Morgan maybe ?
Poor performing dealers and perceived reliability aside, I'm struggling to understand those that dislike this car. There's no getting away from the popularity that SUVs hold right now, and JLR are in a position to capitalise on that - who would blame them?
Personally, I love this, and think it'll sell extremely well. It's a stunner, both inside and out, and instantly makes the rest of the RR 'range' look dated; in particular it makes the F-Pace look a little frumpy too, which is probably JLR's biggest problem. This is likely to cannibalise sales of that far more than it takes sales from the likes of the Macan, in my opinon. This to me is the perfect SUV, not too big, not too tall, road-biased but with the ability to tackle a grassy field or deep snow where necessary; I can get my bike in the back without taking the back wheel out, and it'll do more than 30mpg on a fully-laden run to Scotland.
I'm happy to be corrected, but I think this car is directly related to the F-Pace - longitudinal engine and RWD bias in particular. Those that state it's a 'luxury Freelander/Disco Sport' are wrong; this should be much nicer to 'hustle' than the FWD biased smaller LRs.
I'll be ordering one as soon as I have the means to do so.
Personally, I love this, and think it'll sell extremely well. It's a stunner, both inside and out, and instantly makes the rest of the RR 'range' look dated; in particular it makes the F-Pace look a little frumpy too, which is probably JLR's biggest problem. This is likely to cannibalise sales of that far more than it takes sales from the likes of the Macan, in my opinon. This to me is the perfect SUV, not too big, not too tall, road-biased but with the ability to tackle a grassy field or deep snow where necessary; I can get my bike in the back without taking the back wheel out, and it'll do more than 30mpg on a fully-laden run to Scotland.
I'm happy to be corrected, but I think this car is directly related to the F-Pace - longitudinal engine and RWD bias in particular. Those that state it's a 'luxury Freelander/Disco Sport' are wrong; this should be much nicer to 'hustle' than the FWD biased smaller LRs.
I'll be ordering one as soon as I have the means to do so.
tjlees said:
Pity - I was looking at JLR for load lugging and towing duties - looks like something German (again) ...
Don't fall into the trap of thinking German will be safe and JLR is bad. I've owned 4 without any probs (lower tailgate button on a disco 3 did fail). Worst car I've ever owned for reliability was a C class merc, followed by an M3. ETA I'm not saying don't buy a merc or a BMW, im saying look at the actual research as opposed to some individual experiences from the forum.
Edited by Hungrymc on Tuesday 25th July 11:01
Just test drove the diesel version.
Excellent car: polished, modern, looks very good from most angles, amazing interior, and drives like a large luxurious car. That means you feel far more serene driving the Velar than the Macan or indeed the 4x4 competition. In fact I would say it really puts the rest of the Range range ;-) at a disadvantage.
On the downside, you do not get a real Sport Utility Vehicle (not that much of the competition really offers this as well). The 1st touch steering just sets the "SUV" on the direction in which you want to go, whereas the F Pace and Macan have a far more direct feel. The difference is that this "1st touch" is very short compared to the rest of Ranges.
All in all, the Macan now feels very much 1 rank well down the ladder, Ford sports hatch versus a plush 3 series. You can go quicker in a Macan, you can feel the road more, but you feel boy racer compared to a grown up.
Excellent car: polished, modern, looks very good from most angles, amazing interior, and drives like a large luxurious car. That means you feel far more serene driving the Velar than the Macan or indeed the 4x4 competition. In fact I would say it really puts the rest of the Range range ;-) at a disadvantage.
On the downside, you do not get a real Sport Utility Vehicle (not that much of the competition really offers this as well). The 1st touch steering just sets the "SUV" on the direction in which you want to go, whereas the F Pace and Macan have a far more direct feel. The difference is that this "1st touch" is very short compared to the rest of Ranges.
All in all, the Macan now feels very much 1 rank well down the ladder, Ford sports hatch versus a plush 3 series. You can go quicker in a Macan, you can feel the road more, but you feel boy racer compared to a grown up.
BarcelonaLewis said:
Ares said:
BarcelonaLewis said:
If I saw this, or any other Range Rover for the first time I'd be really impressed.
But, when you live in a city where it seems every third driver either has this or a German equivalent, all with heavy tints and a personalised plate, none of which have ever left tarmac, they, and the people who drive them, just seem more and more ridiculous.
Do you think the same of Sports Cars that have never been on track?But, when you live in a city where it seems every third driver either has this or a German equivalent, all with heavy tints and a personalised plate, none of which have ever left tarmac, they, and the people who drive them, just seem more and more ridiculous.
Citing SUV drivers that don't leave the tarmac as ridiculous, but it fine for sports car drivers to not drive on track.
The answer is that neither are ridiculous, being buy the cars the want and that suit their needs. For what it's worth, an SUV usually takes up no more, and often less road space than the equivalent load-space car.
And the assumption that SUV buyers feel the "need to be bigger, higher up, more aggressive than anyone else" is more ignorance. I've had two, and that wasn't my motivation for either.
johnag007 said:
Just test drove the diesel version.
Excellent car: polished, modern, looks very good from most angles, amazing interior, and drives like a large luxurious car. That means you feel far more serene driving the Velar than the Macan or indeed the 4x4 competition. In fact I would say it really puts the rest of the Range range ;-) at a disadvantage.
On the downside, you do not get a real Sport Utility Vehicle (not that much of the competition really offers this as well). The 1st touch steering just sets the "SUV" on the direction in which you want to go, whereas the F Pace and Macan have a far more direct feel. The difference is that this "1st touch" is very short compared to the rest of Ranges.
All in all, the Macan now feels very much 1 rank well down the ladder, Ford sports hatch versus a plush 3 series. You can go quicker in a Macan, you can feel the road more, but you feel boy racer compared to a grown up.
When I was looking earlier this year, Porsche were billing the Macan as a lifestyle alternative to a sports saloon, rather than pitching against F-Type etc.Excellent car: polished, modern, looks very good from most angles, amazing interior, and drives like a large luxurious car. That means you feel far more serene driving the Velar than the Macan or indeed the 4x4 competition. In fact I would say it really puts the rest of the Range range ;-) at a disadvantage.
On the downside, you do not get a real Sport Utility Vehicle (not that much of the competition really offers this as well). The 1st touch steering just sets the "SUV" on the direction in which you want to go, whereas the F Pace and Macan have a far more direct feel. The difference is that this "1st touch" is very short compared to the rest of Ranges.
All in all, the Macan now feels very much 1 rank well down the ladder, Ford sports hatch versus a plush 3 series. You can go quicker in a Macan, you can feel the road more, but you feel boy racer compared to a grown up.
johnag007 said:
Just test drove the diesel version.
Excellent car: polished, modern, looks very good from most angles, amazing interior, and drives like a large luxurious car. That means you feel far more serene driving the Velar than the Macan or indeed the 4x4 competition. In fact I would say it really puts the rest of the Range range ;-) at a disadvantage.
On the downside, you do not get a real Sport Utility Vehicle (not that much of the competition really offers this as well). The 1st touch steering just sets the "SUV" on the direction in which you want to go, whereas the F Pace and Macan have a far more direct feel. The difference is that this "1st touch" is very short compared to the rest of Ranges.
All in all, the Macan now feels very much 1 rank well down the ladder, Ford sports hatch versus a plush 3 series. You can go quicker in a Macan, you can feel the road more, but you feel boy racer compared to a grown up.
I think this is exactly what LR want the Velar to be - a baby RR. Having the accoutrements of a FFRR without the size and the frankly largely unnecessary mountain climbing abilities. A properly luxurious small car is one niche that isn't well catered for.Excellent car: polished, modern, looks very good from most angles, amazing interior, and drives like a large luxurious car. That means you feel far more serene driving the Velar than the Macan or indeed the 4x4 competition. In fact I would say it really puts the rest of the Range range ;-) at a disadvantage.
On the downside, you do not get a real Sport Utility Vehicle (not that much of the competition really offers this as well). The 1st touch steering just sets the "SUV" on the direction in which you want to go, whereas the F Pace and Macan have a far more direct feel. The difference is that this "1st touch" is very short compared to the rest of Ranges.
All in all, the Macan now feels very much 1 rank well down the ladder, Ford sports hatch versus a plush 3 series. You can go quicker in a Macan, you can feel the road more, but you feel boy racer compared to a grown up.
Maldini35 said:
Yipper said:
JLR is Britain's biggest carmaker and its global sales are currently at their highest in the company's entire 95-year history.
JLR Velar is simply practising micro-segmentation in a crowded, mature car industry, where you can only make money by exploiting tiny gaps in the market. All other major brands, like BMW or Porsche, do exactly the same thing and have been for years.
JLR is a (very) rare British manufacturing success story. And they make stuff in or near Birmingham, one of the poorest places in the developed world. JLR is providing (very) valuable jobs and high-value exports to the UK. Good luck to JLR and Tata. Brexit needs more companies like this.
Here here.JLR Velar is simply practising micro-segmentation in a crowded, mature car industry, where you can only make money by exploiting tiny gaps in the market. All other major brands, like BMW or Porsche, do exactly the same thing and have been for years.
JLR is a (very) rare British manufacturing success story. And they make stuff in or near Birmingham, one of the poorest places in the developed world. JLR is providing (very) valuable jobs and high-value exports to the UK. Good luck to JLR and Tata. Brexit needs more companies like this.
Same goes for McLaren wouldn't you agree?
Let's stop the Brit bashing
And the JLR Velar is already completely sold out for at least the next 3 months.
Britain is starting to take on the Germans and Italians in the premium car market.
Maldini35 said:
Yipper said:
JLR is Britain's biggest carmaker and its global sales are currently at their highest in the company's entire 95-year history.
JLR Velar is simply practising micro-segmentation in a crowded, mature car industry, where you can only make money by exploiting tiny gaps in the market. All other major brands, like BMW or Porsche, do exactly the same thing and have been for years.
JLR is a (very) rare British manufacturing success story. And they make stuff in or near Birmingham, one of the poorest places in the developed world. JLR is providing (very) valuable jobs and high-value exports to the UK. Good luck to JLR and Tata. Brexit needs more companies like this.
Here here.JLR Velar is simply practising micro-segmentation in a crowded, mature car industry, where you can only make money by exploiting tiny gaps in the market. All other major brands, like BMW or Porsche, do exactly the same thing and have been for years.
JLR is a (very) rare British manufacturing success story. And they make stuff in or near Birmingham, one of the poorest places in the developed world. JLR is providing (very) valuable jobs and high-value exports to the UK. Good luck to JLR and Tata. Brexit needs more companies like this.
Same goes for McLaren wouldn't you agree?
Let's stop the Brit bashing
Yipper said:
Yes, McLaren will soon be the world's 2nd largest supercar maker.
And the JLR Velar is already completely sold out for at least the next 3 months.
Britain is starting to take on the Germans and Italians in the premium car market.
Despite reverse nationalism slagging off every new model because it isn't the same as 30 years ago (when they were sAnd the JLR Velar is already completely sold out for at least the next 3 months.
Britain is starting to take on the Germans and Italians in the premium car market.
t).Ares said:
BarcelonaLewis said:
Ares said:
BarcelonaLewis said:
If I saw this, or any other Range Rover for the first time I'd be really impressed.
But, when you live in a city where it seems every third driver either has this or a German equivalent, all with heavy tints and a personalised plate, none of which have ever left tarmac, they, and the people who drive them, just seem more and more ridiculous.
Do you think the same of Sports Cars that have never been on track?But, when you live in a city where it seems every third driver either has this or a German equivalent, all with heavy tints and a personalised plate, none of which have ever left tarmac, they, and the people who drive them, just seem more and more ridiculous.
Then you're a hypocrite!
Citing SUV drivers that don't leave the tarmac as ridiculous, but it fine for sports car drivers to not drive on track.
The answer is that neither are ridiculous, being buy the cars the want and that suit their needs. For what it's worth, an SUV usually takes up no more, and often less road space than the equivalent load-space car.
And the assumption that SUV buyers feel the "need to be bigger, higher up, more aggressive than anyone else" is more ignorance. I've had two, and that wasn't my motivation for either.
The argument that most people need an X5 or a RR for anything other than ego is just silly.
i like the RR, Defender, the Discovery the rest are a bit too much for me. But to be a fan of LR and British manufacturing you have to like every single model they produce, whilst sycophantically singing praise about them. Sorry not going to happen from me.
Yes JLR is successful which is great, but some people want a bit more diversify than facsimile copies of other models.
Yes JLR is successful which is great, but some people want a bit more diversify than facsimile copies of other models.
Edited by The Spruce goose on Tuesday 25th July 12:41
BarcelonaLewis said:
Not at all, my 911 has never been on a track, but most of the miles I've done on it have been on or around the North Coast 500. I would agree to an extent, a lot of sports cars are bought to service the same needs as luxo-suv, but 99% of the time when you see a guy in an MX5, you know why he bought it - to do what it was designed to do.
The argument that most people need an X5 or a RR for anything other than ego is just silly.
I would argue that far more 'need' a 911 style sports car for anything other than to satisfy their own ego.The argument that most people need an X5 or a RR for anything other than ego is just silly.
Well over half of the parents at my daughter school drive SUVs ranging from Evoque size to FFRR size. Most have large, young families and an SUV with it's load advantage makes it a very relevant choice for most. Most are also driven by females. I don't really see an ego amongst them.
Ares said:
BarcelonaLewis said:
Not at all, my 911 has never been on a track, but most of the miles I've done on it have been on or around the North Coast 500. I would agree to an extent, a lot of sports cars are bought to service the same needs as luxo-suv, but 99% of the time when you see a guy in an MX5, you know why he bought it - to do what it was designed to do.
The argument that most people need an X5 or a RR for anything other than ego is just silly.
I would argue that far more 'need' a 911 style sports car for anything other than to satisfy their own ego.The argument that most people need an X5 or a RR for anything other than ego is just silly.
Well over half of the parents at my daughter school drive SUVs ranging from Evoque size to FFRR size. Most have large, young families and an SUV with it's load advantage makes it a very relevant choice for most. Most are also driven by females. I don't really see an ego amongst them.
yet more virtue signalling from the tediously dull brigade, whatever...
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