RE: Range Rover Velar: Review
Discussion
theshed said:
Velar looks a good car, but even as a RangeRover fan I cannot see the point.
LandRover cashing in on an already overcrowded market place. Make hay while the sun shines I guess and good luck to them for that.
But what a lot of people really want from LandRover is a vehicle to fill the "white space" left by the Freelander. A vehicle more available to the masses and a cheaper way into the Brand.
Oh. And a viable Defender replacement Please.
JLR = business. Business = cashing in.LandRover cashing in on an already overcrowded market place. Make hay while the sun shines I guess and good luck to them for that.
But what a lot of people really want from LandRover is a vehicle to fill the "white space" left by the Freelander. A vehicle more available to the masses and a cheaper way into the Brand.
Oh. And a viable Defender replacement Please.
And the Disco Sport is the Freelander of the current line up. Apparently.
Granfondo said:
Ares said:
Granfondo said:
Ares said:
Isn't that what the original comment was though?
But even taking other similar sized SUVs at the £30-35k mark, the DS is behind in noise and ride quality compared to the X3 and Q5. But then the Discovery (until the latest incarnation) has never majored on refinement and ride.
The initial comment was that the noise and ride was 50% worse than an Evoque which is wrong and I pointed this out!But even taking other similar sized SUVs at the £30-35k mark, the DS is behind in noise and ride quality compared to the X3 and Q5. But then the Discovery (until the latest incarnation) has never majored on refinement and ride.
In the road tests the DS is rated well above the X3 in refinement (engine and road noise) and better ride but that would not be hard against a BMW!
My wife owned a Q5 for 5 years and 60k miles and the ride quality was awful in comparison to the DS!
The new Q5 has an inproved ride but as I haven't driven one so can't comment.
And I've driven an Evoque.
Granfondo said:
Ares said:
NomduJour said:
Discovery Sport rides badly compared with an X3 and Q5? Are you sure the tyres had air in them? Same for the Discovery, 3/4 ride much better than any X5/M Class etc.
As I said, I can only go on personal experience. Not driven the current/latest Disco, but the others were a league behind the ML and X5 (I've owned both) in ride. I'm sure a league ahead in off-road ability though.
I have also owned a ML which was excellent but again more expensive.
Hungrymc said:
Ares said:
As I said, I can only go on personal experience.
Not driven the current/latest Disco, but the others were a league behind the ML and X5 (I've owned both) in ride. I'm sure a league ahead in off-road ability though.
Maybe that shows how personal preference is key. To me, the Disco 3 and 4 had remarkable ride (I guess the weight and air suspension plus tyres with reasonable profile give some advantages). In terms of ride comfort I found them genuinely a league above X5, ML and Q7.Not driven the current/latest Disco, but the others were a league behind the ML and X5 (I've owned both) in ride. I'm sure a league ahead in off-road ability though.
Ares said:
Opinions vary. I'd place the X5 as better than the ML (owned both), and both ahead of the Disco (prev gen)
I've just had a new Disco for a week and I really was impressed, a world away from the Disco Sport (which I really struggled to get on with). JLR changed the planned model just before arrival (from the 3.0 to the 2.0) and I was pretty sceptical. They were confident in saying I wouldn't be able to tell the difference and (to be fair to them) it seemed fine, but I wasn't really towing with it or anything. It's not a pretty car though and that back end is gaping.Velar arrives this morning for a week but not sure which variant.
simo1863 said:
Ares said:
Opinions vary. I'd place the X5 as better than the ML (owned both), and both ahead of the Disco (prev gen)
I've just had a new Disco for a week and I really was impressed, a world away from the Disco Sport (which I really struggled to get on with). JLR changed the planned model just before arrival (from the 3.0 to the 2.0) and I was pretty sceptical. They were confident in saying I wouldn't be able to tell the difference and (to be fair to them) it seemed fine, but I wasn't really towing with it or anything. It's not a pretty car though and that back end is gaping.Velar arrives this morning for a week but not sure which variant.
That said, 3 of the parents at my daughters school have swapped RR's for them and all are regretting the move, 2 have already swapped back.
On looks, I actually like the front end.
NomduJour said:
It's very difficult to believe anyone could decide an X5 of any variety rides better than a Discovery 3/4. Sharper handling, no question, but ride? Ridiculous.
As ridiculous as someone telling me my opinion is wrong? I found the ride unpredictable and it appeared to flop over uneven road surfaces, under-damped and suffering from tramlining. Handling was crap too, but thats to be expected, but the ride was just not what I expected. Ares said:
New Disco does look a lot better. I looked round the entire range when choosing my new car. It's behind the RRS/FFRR in build quality, but bridges the gap a fair bit. Knock is that it made the Disco Sport look very low rent.
That said, 3 of the parents at my daughters school have swapped RR's for them and all are regretting the move, 2 have already swapped back.
On looks, I actually like the front end.
You mean binning the new Discovery (5)? If so why?That said, 3 of the parents at my daughters school have swapped RR's for them and all are regretting the move, 2 have already swapped back.
On looks, I actually like the front end.
EC2 said:
Ares said:
New Disco does look a lot better. I looked round the entire range when choosing my new car. It's behind the RRS/FFRR in build quality, but bridges the gap a fair bit. Knock is that it made the Disco Sport look very low rent.
That said, 3 of the parents at my daughters school have swapped RR's for them and all are regretting the move, 2 have already swapped back.
On looks, I actually like the front end.
You mean binning the new Discovery (5)? If so why?That said, 3 of the parents at my daughters school have swapped RR's for them and all are regretting the move, 2 have already swapped back.
On looks, I actually like the front end.
Ares said:
EC2 said:
Ares said:
New Disco does look a lot better. I looked round the entire range when choosing my new car. It's behind the RRS/FFRR in build quality, but bridges the gap a fair bit. Knock is that it made the Disco Sport look very low rent.
That said, 3 of the parents at my daughters school have swapped RR's for them and all are regretting the move, 2 have already swapped back.
On looks, I actually like the front end.
You mean binning the new Discovery (5)? If so why?That said, 3 of the parents at my daughters school have swapped RR's for them and all are regretting the move, 2 have already swapped back.
On looks, I actually like the front end.
Ares said:
I found the ride unpredictable and it appeared to flop over uneven road surfaces, under-damped and suffering from tramlining.
Ride quality is how well a car insulates its occupants from the unevenness of what it's traveling over, not sure how it can be "unpredictable" if it's passively-damped and suspended. Damping seems fine to me in relation to how they are sprung, and tramlining is generally tyre-related, and not something I've experienced in a Discovery.Not sure on what basis you could describe the actual ride quality being worse than, for example, an X5 - for primary ride, look at the difference in vertical suspension travel for a start.
Pintofbest said:
In that case, my apologies 
I was a bit drunk as on holiday so reading too much in to it.
Top man - enjoy the hols I was a bit drunk as on holiday so reading too much in to it.
And I can concur that BMW care far more about not having to bundle in a spare wheel than ride quality. I had a lift in a run flat tyred 20" X5 the other day - atrociously horrendous ride. I personally just had to ditch 4 brand new RFT's on my 19" 535d before I lost a filling! Stiff stiff low profile tyres + huge wheels + stiff M sport suspension - God knows what possesses them to think this is acceptable ride quality crashing and banging everywhere...!
Ares said:
Granfondo said:
Ares said:
Granfondo said:
Ares said:
Isn't that what the original comment was though?
But even taking other similar sized SUVs at the £30-35k mark, the DS is behind in noise and ride quality compared to the X3 and Q5. But then the Discovery (until the latest incarnation) has never majored on refinement and ride.
The initial comment was that the noise and ride was 50% worse than an Evoque which is wrong and I pointed this out!But even taking other similar sized SUVs at the £30-35k mark, the DS is behind in noise and ride quality compared to the X3 and Q5. But then the Discovery (until the latest incarnation) has never majored on refinement and ride.
In the road tests the DS is rated well above the X3 in refinement (engine and road noise) and better ride but that would not be hard against a BMW!
My wife owned a Q5 for 5 years and 60k miles and the ride quality was awful in comparison to the DS!
The new Q5 has an inproved ride but as I haven't driven one so can't comment.
And I've driven an Evoque.
NomduJour said:
Ares said:
I found the ride unpredictable and it appeared to flop over uneven road surfaces, under-damped and suffering from tramlining.
Ride quality is how well a car insulates its occupants from the unevenness of what it's traveling over, not sure how it can be "unpredictable" if it's passively-damped and suspended. Damping seems fine to me in relation to how they are sprung, and tramlining is generally tyre-related, and not something I've experienced in a Discovery.Not sure on what basis you could describe the actual ride quality being worse than, for example, an X5 - for primary ride, look at the difference in vertical suspension travel for a start.
Try travelling in a Cadillac. Ride quality on a freeway is awesome. Take it off the highway and it has similar issues, too soft, too wallowy, you are left feeling like it is bouncing around and unstable.
The X5 I had, for me, just rode better across all road types.
Granfondo said:
Ares said:
Granfondo said:
Ares said:
Granfondo said:
Ares said:
Isn't that what the original comment was though?
But even taking other similar sized SUVs at the £30-35k mark, the DS is behind in noise and ride quality compared to the X3 and Q5. But then the Discovery (until the latest incarnation) has never majored on refinement and ride.
The initial comment was that the noise and ride was 50% worse than an Evoque which is wrong and I pointed this out!But even taking other similar sized SUVs at the £30-35k mark, the DS is behind in noise and ride quality compared to the X3 and Q5. But then the Discovery (until the latest incarnation) has never majored on refinement and ride.
In the road tests the DS is rated well above the X3 in refinement (engine and road noise) and better ride but that would not be hard against a BMW!
My wife owned a Q5 for 5 years and 60k miles and the ride quality was awful in comparison to the DS!
The new Q5 has an inproved ride but as I haven't driven one so can't comment.
And I've driven an Evoque.
Ares said:
I didn't actually, I referred to Range Rovers, not the Evoque. And I edited the missing word in my reply 2 mins before your reply to add 'not', as in I've not driven and Evoque.
Doesn't take Einstein or the Beatles manager to work out that a car twice the price just might be better especially when it's from the same manufacturer! 
Still doesn't make the DS noisy or have a bad ride.
You don't have to agree but you're still wrong!
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