No ICE from 2040?!?
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This afternoon I saw my first Tesla X I put the windows down to have a little listen...silent apart from the tyre noise and a muted whine from the motor it took off at at quite a pace too....very impressive.
Now if Tesla were to bring out a Euro style Golf with a 300 mile range priced correctly I think it would sell by the bucket load...for commuting I'd be seriously tempted.
By the time 2040 comes around I'll probably be past my driving best I really hope driving hasn't been ruined by all the unwashed tree-huggers so the next generation of drivers can enjoy all the pleasures I've enjoyed over the years...some how I can't see a leccy powered Porsche to have the same noise appeal as a horrible nasty petrol powered flat 6 that produces beautiful music.
Now if Tesla were to bring out a Euro style Golf with a 300 mile range priced correctly I think it would sell by the bucket load...for commuting I'd be seriously tempted.
By the time 2040 comes around I'll probably be past my driving best I really hope driving hasn't been ruined by all the unwashed tree-huggers so the next generation of drivers can enjoy all the pleasures I've enjoyed over the years...some how I can't see a leccy powered Porsche to have the same noise appeal as a horrible nasty petrol powered flat 6 that produces beautiful music.
lowdrag said:
Rather interestingly, the ICE title was rather misleading, but it got me to thinking. Let's look at headlights, heating, aircon, phones, In Car Entertainment, kids electronic games, rear headrest videos, and all the rest of what will by then make up the world of 2040. How on earth are electric cars going to cope with all this?
With ease? None of this stuff has a huge power draw. Even on a not too modern EV like a first gen Nissan Leaf. This has a 24kWh battery. That is a huge amount of power that could run everything you list for days. Teslas are now offering 100kWh! Who knows where the tech will lead us soongrumpy52 said:
Just to toss this into the argument .
The batteries for electric cars are classed as a Hazardous Load when being transported about .
All the F1 transporter drivers had to get ADR training and qualifications after the French pulled them a couple of years ago because of the batteries being carried.
This is because F1 batteries are not certified! They don't have the necessary cell or module level test certification that allows them to be transported as normal goods.The batteries for electric cars are classed as a Hazardous Load when being transported about .
All the F1 transporter drivers had to get ADR training and qualifications after the French pulled them a couple of years ago because of the batteries being carried.
Ares said:
lowdrag said:
So you are saying that journeys like this will be available in 5-10 years? I've done over 1,000 miles in a day a few times, but I can't see that happening in such a short time frame with electric cars.
Spain October 2016 by Tony Brown, on Flickr
But you don't do that without stopping. Spain October 2016 by Tony Brown, on FlickrEven today, Tesla claim you can't drive more than 250 miles without going within 10miles of a Supercharger location.
But beyond that, Halo/Wireless/Dynamic charging is almost here, allowing to charge whilst driving at uptown 60mph.
Even if hypothetically it wasn't possible, the car market is not driven by the 0.01% of people that make 1000 mile journeys
robinessex said:
Deaths each year due to medical errors are approximately er 40,000!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13487/NH...
Deaths due to being born are 100%http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13487/NH...
If all car manufacturers agreed to a standard technology on Batteries, like they do with petrol and Diesel grades then wouldn't swapable battery packs at Service stations be a viable option? Perhaps we rent batteries for our cars on a monthly basis which in turn would keep service stations open and most importantly TAX going back to the government.
Still its 23 years away and technology will improve greatly by then especially when manufactures are now being pretty much forced to develop this technology.
Still its 23 years away and technology will improve greatly by then especially when manufactures are now being pretty much forced to develop this technology.
Even as a petrolhead I'm happy with this 2040 idea.
Even today there's some great electric cars, tesla does 0-60 in 2.8 which I love cos that really pisses off the crusty anti car types.
F1 technology means petrol hybrids will be extremely efficient soon.
23 years is a long time to improve tech, we need to sort out hydrogen or other alternative as the electric infrastructure won't cope unless ££££ are spent.
As long as they keep grandfather rights for us who still want to drive 500miles a year in a real car.
Meanwhile, explosions in population and mass shipping will cause 50x the amount of pollution that cars actually caused.
Even today there's some great electric cars, tesla does 0-60 in 2.8 which I love cos that really pisses off the crusty anti car types.
F1 technology means petrol hybrids will be extremely efficient soon.
23 years is a long time to improve tech, we need to sort out hydrogen or other alternative as the electric infrastructure won't cope unless ££££ are spent.
As long as they keep grandfather rights for us who still want to drive 500miles a year in a real car.
Meanwhile, explosions in population and mass shipping will cause 50x the amount of pollution that cars actually caused.
HKP said:
red_slr said:
If they could sort out the busses first that would be great. Also good luck running a taxi firm after 2040.
https://twitter.com/candctaxis?lang=enI think you'll find the taxi industry is rapidly realising the benefits of electric drive.
Minimal servicing, HUGELY reduced fuel spend, improved customer perception etc.
C&C Taxis have multiple vehicles over 100,000 miles and running. Off the top of my head I believe one of their Leafs is on 170,000 miles and its original battery. Continually used and rapid charged
robinessex said:
Deaths each year due to medical errors are approximately er 40,000!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13487/NH...
As the old saying goes -- the person most likely to kill you (really) is your own doctor.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13487/NH...
Max_Torque said:
skyrover said:
Unless there is a revolution in battery technology it's simply not happening... Sorry
Keep sticking your head deeper into the sand, i'm sure you'll be fine....... Good luck making enough batteries to go round...
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/is-th...
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/is-th...
All this hand wringing and denial is funny.
Why are so many people obsessed about not being able to easily charge their car on the street outside their dingy little terraced house? Today, do you fill you car up with fuel on the street outside your house? Of course you don't, you go to a petrol station.
Do you really think that by 2040, battery tech won't have moved on so that today's challenges with capacity, rare materials, size/weight and charge time won't have been solved? Of course they will have been. Just compare battery tech from 25 years ago to today. It's a staggering difference.
You will just go to a charging station and quick charge your car up for 3mins, pay the man, and then be on your way as you do with petrol today. Or much more likely, it will just drive itself to the local charging station, charge itself up, come home and park up ready for when you need it.
If you have your own drive/garage, then you will also be able to charge it there as a handy bonus. But it's by no means a pre-requisite to have such a facility.
Why are so many people obsessed about not being able to easily charge their car on the street outside their dingy little terraced house? Today, do you fill you car up with fuel on the street outside your house? Of course you don't, you go to a petrol station.
Do you really think that by 2040, battery tech won't have moved on so that today's challenges with capacity, rare materials, size/weight and charge time won't have been solved? Of course they will have been. Just compare battery tech from 25 years ago to today. It's a staggering difference.
You will just go to a charging station and quick charge your car up for 3mins, pay the man, and then be on your way as you do with petrol today. Or much more likely, it will just drive itself to the local charging station, charge itself up, come home and park up ready for when you need it.
If you have your own drive/garage, then you will also be able to charge it there as a handy bonus. But it's by no means a pre-requisite to have such a facility.
Edited by dvs_dave on Thursday 27th July 06:45
Farmboy UK said:
Exactly, you must have stopped at least three times. If that's the case, you could have made the journey in a tesla!
Even if hypothetically it wasn't possible, the car market is not driven by the 0.01% of people that make 1000 mile journeys
Well, no actually. I've done that run a few times, to Alicante and back, and can do it on one stop. That particular run was foiled by a big queue at the border and I have done it faster. But no matter, I am very impressed by the technical answers here that seem to indicate that in future we will be able to do long runs comfortably with zero pollution. I just wonder where all the electricity is coming from though. The UK is already talking of shortages in the forseeable future.Even if hypothetically it wasn't possible, the car market is not driven by the 0.01% of people that make 1000 mile journeys
A friend of mine is involved in RiverSimple, the first viable commercial hydrogen powered vehicle (funded by a member of the Porsche family). It uses Hydrogen in a form that is safer than petrol and the exhaust is water vapour.
http://www.riversimple.com/the-technology-behind-t...
The experts he works with are strong advocates of ending the use of fossil fuels, but don't see batteries as the right alternative. Hydrogen fuel cells are lighter, quicker to refuel, more powerful, and actually cleaner, since the energy ultimately comes from Hydrogen (which is available from water).
Today's battery powered cars may be looked back on like steam-powered ones, fluorescent bulbs and LaserDiscs. An interim technology that was on the rght track, but not the eventual solution.
http://www.riversimple.com/the-technology-behind-t...
The experts he works with are strong advocates of ending the use of fossil fuels, but don't see batteries as the right alternative. Hydrogen fuel cells are lighter, quicker to refuel, more powerful, and actually cleaner, since the energy ultimately comes from Hydrogen (which is available from water).
Today's battery powered cars may be looked back on like steam-powered ones, fluorescent bulbs and LaserDiscs. An interim technology that was on the rght track, but not the eventual solution.
Edited by 67Dino on Thursday 27th July 07:17
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