RE: Mercedes to quit DTM...

RE: Mercedes to quit DTM...

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JohnoVR6

690 posts

213 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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Nanook said:
moffat said:
Who actually watches Formula E?

I not met a single person who has watched it. I tried and found it terminally dull.
Every time I've put it on, they're no tiny little street circuits so there's no overtaking.

Why is that?
Because officially, it is to 'take the race environment' to city centers to engage with a younger fan base rather than make people travel to circuits, which tend to be miles from civilisation.

Whereas in reality, I think if they put them on a 'real' circuit, as highlighted by the Donington pre-season test times, it shows that a £10,000 Forumla Jedi is quicker than the current tech...

For what it's worth - I've watched it, pretty much every round this year. There are a lot of elements that still baffle me, but they've made a hell of a go of it in just three short years. The the whole 'city center feel' argument is the one I can't get my head round; largely as it doesn't translate well for TV. With the possible exception of Templehof, the track level cameras pick up the same concrete barriers and catch fences at every round. They could have done the entire season in a car park in Canvey Island for all I know...

Edited by JohnoVR6 on Thursday 27th July 15:13

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

84 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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R66STU said:
Im not really liking how the future looks for motoring in general including racing.. electric..
It's been years since I really cared about new cars. The best days are gone IMHO

F1GTRUeno

6,364 posts

219 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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TXG399 said:
Why exactly is a significant safety improvement like halo a bad idea? As someone who has been watching the sport for over 25 years I can name a fair few worse things that have happened.
It's not a significant safety improvement and it dilutes what F1 is.

MikeGoodwin

3,345 posts

118 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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DTM wasn't great anyways but the commentators were better than BTCC. I'm sure there were only Audi Merc and BMW racing at one point?

Formula E can fk off its the most boring st ive ever watched alongside Love Island.

Ive not watched F1 since about 2013 either. Mainstream motorsport is total dross these days. Surprised they dont put Formula V8 on TV always amazes me that F1 gets more interest than something like the V8 support races, but then I am a pertol head and dont give a toss about the drivers really and I guess thats the problem, people are starstruck and dont care about the cars and are more concerned about the stars and glamour that goes with it.

Yipper

5,964 posts

91 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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The golden era of motor racing is definitely over.

F1 = rubbish.
FE = rubbish.
WRC = rubbish.
WEC = rubbish.
BTC = rubbish.
DTM = rubbish.
IoM TT = last man standing.

If you have kids, take them to the IoM TT next year. It is the last chance they will ever get to see proper mental racing. The future of racing is glorified milkfloats humming round in tedious circles.

Screechmr2

282 posts

105 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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i tried to watch a formula e race a little while back, i turned it on part way through and thought the safety/virtual safety car was out. After a while i realised it was actually the race, they were a lot slower than i expected them to be.

lucido grigio

44,044 posts

164 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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MikeGoodwin said:
. I'm sure there were only Audi Merc and BMW racing at one point?
I mentioned that up ^^^^ there.
DTM has never had huge variety in makes.
Ford ,Alfa and Opel have taken part too over the years.

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

180 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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cuprabob said:
Cold said:
Do they still change cars halfway through the race in Formula E due to flat batteries, or has racing improved the tech?
No, they still swap cars in the middle.
I didn't know that. I've never seen it

What a farce rofl

lucido grigio

44,044 posts

164 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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Yipper said:
The golden era of motor racing is definitely over.

F1 = rubbish.
FE = rubbish.
WRC = rubbish.
WEC = rubbish.
BTC = rubbish.
DTM = rubbish.
IoM TT = last man standing.

If you have kids, take them to the IoM TT next year. It is the last chance they will ever get to see proper mental racing. The future of racing is glorified milkfloats humming round in tedious circles.
WRC is not rubbish,it might not be as good as the glory days but it's not rubbish.

BTW world RX is quite good.

GranCab

2,902 posts

147 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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Formula E sounds exactly like Scalextric but is less exciting to watch .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy8kJbPDlyU

roland82

257 posts

216 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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E65Ross said:
On a (slightly) different note, there are numerous reports saying Porsche are pulling out of WEC as well....
I've just read that too..

Fire99

9,844 posts

230 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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I can't speak of the future but the current reality of Formula E is that it's a token-effort race that is all about attempting to make an electric propulsion 'statement' in motor racing.

The hard reality is that the actual racing is borderline on embarrassing and I genuinely cannot remember a worse racing series short of a fairground ride as a child.

It may be the future from a marketing / P.R perspective, but as a genuine motorsport event, it needs to virtually re-invent itself to be a truly credible alternative to other top level racing series.

Maldini35

2,913 posts

189 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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roland82 said:
E65Ross said:
On a (slightly) different note, there are numerous reports saying Porsche are pulling out of WEC as well....
I've just read that too..
Porsche to make an announcement tomorrow apparently.

Porsche to step up to F1 and Audi to concentrate on Formula E.

Le Mans will urgently need to rethink the prototype classes...or scrap them entirely and let the GT battle take centre stage.biggrin

In terms of F1, I watched the Silverstone race (first race I watched this season) and I really enjoyed it - much against my expectations. I think it was because of the camera work - I really got the sense of speed as the cars powered through Copse, Maggots and Becketts right on the edge. First time in ages it looked like the drivers were really working hard.
Just a shame the cars still sound so terrible.

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Edited by Maldini35 on Monday 31st July 11:27

lucido grigio

44,044 posts

164 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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Formula E is racing in Montreal this weekend ,watch it live on ch5 to see what all the fuss is about.

Enjoy....rotate

Krikkit

26,564 posts

182 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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Maldini35 said:
roland82 said:
E65Ross said:
On a (slightly) different note, there are numerous reports saying Porsche are pulling out of WEC as well....
I've just read that too..
Porsche to make an announcement tomorrow apparently.

Porsche to step up to F1 and Audi to concentrate on Formula E.

Le Mans will urgently need to rethink the prototype classes...or scrap them entirely and let the GT battle take centre stage.biggrin
Confirmed this morning. LMP1-H is now dead, as Toyota won't continue without another manufacturer to battle imo.

That leaves LMP2 as the only well-contested category.

FWIW I've absolutely loved WEC this year (and the last few), Porsche vs Toyota has been a great season at the top of the field, with 4 other classes to keep you occupied at the same time!

WCZ

10,548 posts

195 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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seems F1 was sold at the perfect time

jmpascoe

3 posts

143 months

Saturday 29th July 2017
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Motorsport is getting very dull across the board. Formula E is dreadful to watch despite some close racing. Touring cars and rally died with the end of homoligation, it is hard to watch hatchbacks that bear zero resemblance to anything you can buy race! I guess at least Formula E might help develop some decent electric road cars.

For god's sake manufacturers please race variants of a road car we can buy! Just look at the GT3, seems to work for Porsche. If only you
could actually buy one......

r1monkey

208 posts

212 months

Saturday 29th July 2017
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i wouldn't go watch electric racing if it was in my garden.
The noise is what makes a vehicle sound powerful .
I used to go watch truck racing live which sounded great but when they put it on the telly ,it lost all its excitement because the screeching tyres and engine noise were hardly heard.

babatunde

736 posts

191 months

Saturday 29th July 2017
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Yipper said:
The golden era of motor racing is definitely over.

F1 = rubbish.
FE = rubbish.
WRC = rubbish.
WEC = rubbish.
BTC = rubbish.
DTM = rubbish.
IoM TT = last man standing.

If you have kids, take them to the IoM TT next year. It is the last chance they will ever get to see proper mental racing. The future of racing is glorified milkfloats humming round in tedious circles.
Moto GP is still up there IMO

Robert-nszl1

401 posts

89 months

Sunday 30th July 2017
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lucido grigio said:
Formula E in Battersea park was an instant success.......nono

Even electric cars was too much for the NIMBY locals.
Living by Battersea Park as I do, and as a keen lover of cars and motorsport, let's examine the NIMBY comment. On the face of it, a correct view, many locals didn't like the disruption caused; but was it any good? Absolutely not! It was dreadful! The road around the park is too narrow and tree lined. This meant limited overtaking, and that as a spectator you could only see very limited sections of the track. Combine that with slow cars, and I soon joined the masses wanting it out of the park. I would happily have put up with the 1 week a year I couldn't walk my dog properly had it been a great spectacle. But if this is the future of motorsport, thank god I was around to watch ICE racing because this was and remains dire.