RE: Jaguar F-Type 2.0: Review
Discussion
craigjm said:
They said that about the birth of the XJS
They said that about the death of the v12
They said that about the introduction of diesel
They said that about selling the company to the Indians
It's called progress. Without it there would be no Jaguar
Now that Jaguar is now Indian I wouldn't even want one as a gift. You either buy proper original BRITISH Jaguar or not at all. They said that about the death of the v12
They said that about the introduction of diesel
They said that about selling the company to the Indians
It's called progress. Without it there would be no Jaguar
Ares said:
culpz said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
Ares said:
As mentioned above, my Father in Law is looking at Z4s. He's immediately turned off by the 35i - doesn't need the power, doesn't want the cost. The performance of the 4-pot is more than adequate for what he wants. Same reason people buy the SL350 not the 500. Even with the 4-pot, it's not a slow car.
Is your FIL aware how surprisingly frugal and also very reliable the 6-pots are within the BMW range? It's not all about having power because you need it. It's quite rare that anyone would really need that sort of power anyway but it's more of a desire to go with the styling and have the complete package.4-pot petrol units aren't really BMW's forte but the sixes are tried and tested. In fact, some of the 4-cylinder petrol engines have been hideously unreliable and not actually that great on fuel either for the adequate performance that they provide.
A quote from EVO's review of the 2.0 Z4; "The sDrive28i might have more power and torque, but its CO2 and mpg figures are identical to the 20i, so if you can stomach a £4165 higher asking price, you’ll gain a considerable wedge of extra performance."
Apart from the one's i mentioned, you mean? What's age got to do with it? Why can't a 70+ year old man enjoy a proper BMW straight-six?
Wills2 said:
I just don't get the F-type, slower, heavier and more expensive than any competitor throughout the range, they must have some good sales people at JLR.
I'm guessing no rice pudding skins were harmed during this test of a 50k "performance car"
Wouldn't necessarily say throughout the range. A lightly used F-Type R is quite the bargain and, needless to say, offers plenty of straight-line speed, drama and sheer driving fun, there's very little on the market here in Europe that approaches it when it comes to price/performance. They are all a bit heavy, though. That cannot be denied. Still, I'm quite happy with my R after many years in the 911 camp.I'm guessing no rice pudding skins were harmed during this test of a 50k "performance car"
That being said, I personally wouldn't touch a 4-pot F-type - or the V6 for that matter - with a ten foot pole.
WJNB said:
craigjm said:
They said that about the birth of the XJS
They said that about the death of the v12
They said that about the introduction of diesel
They said that about selling the company to the Indians
It's called progress. Without it there would be no Jaguar
Now that Jaguar is now Indian I wouldn't even want one as a gift. You either buy proper original BRITISH Jaguar or not at all. They said that about the death of the v12
They said that about the introduction of diesel
They said that about selling the company to the Indians
It's called progress. Without it there would be no Jaguar
culpz said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
Ares said:
As mentioned above, my Father in Law is looking at Z4s. He's immediately turned off by the 35i - doesn't need the power, doesn't want the cost. The performance of the 4-pot is more than adequate for what he wants. Same reason people buy the SL350 not the 500. Even with the 4-pot, it's not a slow car.
Is your FIL aware how surprisingly frugal and also very reliable the 6-pots are within the BMW range? It's not all about having power because you need it. It's quite rare that anyone would really need that sort of power anyway but it's more of a desire to go with the styling and have the complete package.4-pot petrol units aren't really BMW's forte but the sixes are tried and tested. In fact, some of the 4-cylinder petrol engines have been hideously unreliable and not actually that great on fuel either for the adequate performance that they provide.
A quote from EVO's review of the 2.0 Z4; "The sDrive28i might have more power and torque, but its CO2 and mpg figures are identical to the 20i, so if you can stomach a £4165 higher asking price, you’ll gain a considerable wedge of extra performance."
Apart from the one's i mentioned, you mean? What's age got to do with it? Why can't a 70+ year old man enjoy a proper BMW straight-six?
To you, and to me, the upside is more than worth it to get a 300bhp straight 6. But some people are not arsed about it. My 70yr old FiL is one of those. He's not unusual.
Foreign market car IMO, only a tiny minority would actually want a 4 pot in a car like this. If it was 8k cheaper you'd probably tempt a lot more people into making the trade off, but for a circa 2 to 3 k difference on what is basically a 50k car I think this will be rare sight on British roads.
Ares said:
culpz said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
Ares said:
culpz said:
Ares said:
As mentioned above, my Father in Law is looking at Z4s. He's immediately turned off by the 35i - doesn't need the power, doesn't want the cost. The performance of the 4-pot is more than adequate for what he wants. Same reason people buy the SL350 not the 500. Even with the 4-pot, it's not a slow car.
Is your FIL aware how surprisingly frugal and also very reliable the 6-pots are within the BMW range? It's not all about having power because you need it. It's quite rare that anyone would really need that sort of power anyway but it's more of a desire to go with the styling and have the complete package.4-pot petrol units aren't really BMW's forte but the sixes are tried and tested. In fact, some of the 4-cylinder petrol engines have been hideously unreliable and not actually that great on fuel either for the adequate performance that they provide.
A quote from EVO's review of the 2.0 Z4; "The sDrive28i might have more power and torque, but its CO2 and mpg figures are identical to the 20i, so if you can stomach a £4165 higher asking price, you’ll gain a considerable wedge of extra performance."
Apart from the one's i mentioned, you mean? What's age got to do with it? Why can't a 70+ year old man enjoy a proper BMW straight-six?
To you, and to me, the upside is more than worth it to get a 300bhp straight 6. But some people are not arsed about it. My 70yr old FiL is one of those. He's not unusual.
It's like non-car people who will buy DPF-equipped diesels to do about 5k per year around town. If i knew anyone who was about to make that choice, i'd personally tell them that they're making a mistake.
I know that some people are stubborn and very set in their ways with this kind of thing though. If it was still in budget or just spending that little but more, it really is worth it.
Rawwr said:
WJNB said:
Now that Jaguar is now Indian I wouldn't even want one as a gift. You either buy proper original BRITISH Jaguar or not at all.
Hilarious.
I think this cuts to the core of why many people buy Jaguars over a Merc or a BMW. This certainly applies to someone I know with an XF - he literally wouldn't be seen dead in a Merc or a BMW (with the same mechanical layout!), and spits at the mere mention of their names, but is an intolerable fan boy about his XF.
culpz said:
There just doesn't seem to be any reason why you'd go for the smaller engine, that's all. 70+ year old man or not, enthusiast or not. Maybe if he knew these things, he would reconsider.
It's like non-car people who will buy DPF-equipped diesels to do about 5k per year around town. If i knew anyone who was about to make that choice, i'd personally tell them that they're making a mistake.
I know that some people are stubborn and very set in their ways with this kind of thing though. If it was still in budget or just spending that little but more, it really is worth it.
It's not worth it if they don't appreciate it - in that case they're basically paying extra to buy and run it for no reason at all.It's like non-car people who will buy DPF-equipped diesels to do about 5k per year around town. If i knew anyone who was about to make that choice, i'd personally tell them that they're making a mistake.
I know that some people are stubborn and very set in their ways with this kind of thing though. If it was still in budget or just spending that little but more, it really is worth it.
culpz said:
There just doesn't seem to be any reason why you'd go for the smaller engine, that's all. 70+ year old man or not, enthusiast or not. Maybe if he knew these things, he would reconsider.
It's like non-car people who will buy DPF-equipped diesels to do about 5k per year around town. If i knew anyone who was about to make that choice, i'd personally tell them that they're making a mistake.
I know that some people are stubborn and very set in their ways with this kind of thing though. If it was still in budget or just spending that little but more, it really is worth it.
Because they are cheaper. Would you pay an extra £5,000 for a car seat if you didn't have children, and never carried children? What about if a bloke on an Internet forum told you there was no reason not to? And that you may as well have it as you might one day have a desire to carry a child.It's like non-car people who will buy DPF-equipped diesels to do about 5k per year around town. If i knew anyone who was about to make that choice, i'd personally tell them that they're making a mistake.
I know that some people are stubborn and very set in their ways with this kind of thing though. If it was still in budget or just spending that little but more, it really is worth it.
"Hi Father in Law, I know you don't want a bigger engine, and wouldn't use the performance of the small engine let alone the big one, and don't want the decreased fuel consumption, and don't want the higher insurance.....but some bloke off the internet say you are wrong. There is no reason why you should go for the smaller engine"
I can see that going down really well.
Ares said:
Because they are cheaper. Would you pay an extra £5,000 for a car seat if you didn't have children, and never carried children? What about if a bloke on an Internet forum told you there was no reason not to? And that you may as well have it as you might one day have a desire to carry a child.
"Hi Father in Law, I know you don't want a bigger engine, and wouldn't use the performance of the small engine let alone the big one, and don't want the decreased fuel consumption, and don't want the higher insurance.....but some bloke off the internet say you are wrong. There is no reason why you should go for the smaller engine"
I can see that going down really well.
If that's the case, why not tell him to save an absolute fortune and get himself a bloody Nissan Micra instead! "Hi Father in Law, I know you don't want a bigger engine, and wouldn't use the performance of the small engine let alone the big one, and don't want the decreased fuel consumption, and don't want the higher insurance.....but some bloke off the internet say you are wrong. There is no reason why you should go for the smaller engine"
I can see that going down really well.
Seriously though, i'd question if he really wants a Z4 in the first place or if it's really the car for him.
culpz said:
If that's the case, why not tell him to save an absolute fortune and get himself a bloody Nissan Micra instead!
Because a Micra isn't a Z4.culpz said:
Seriously though, i'd question if he really wants a Z4 in the first place or if it's really the car for him.
"Do you really want a Z4?""Yes."
Why pay more for upgrades you don't want? And if all he wanted was performance, you can buy quicker cars than Z4s for the same money.
If you were buying a mobile phone contract and they offered you an upgrade from twice the data you will ever use to four times the data you will ever use for only a fiver a month, would you pay the extra fiver? No? Hah, you may as well get a Nokia 3310.
If you were buying a mobile phone contract and they offered you an upgrade from twice the data you will ever use to four times the data you will ever use for only a fiver a month, would you pay the extra fiver? No? Hah, you may as well get a Nokia 3310.
A lot of people will buy the F Type on looks alone, and in a way why not? But in my view ALL F Types are too expensive, and these are big cars- I saw one sitting next to an XKR in a showroom, and there isn't much in it sizewise, and probably explains the weight.
The reality is that the equivalent priced Porsches are objectively better in pretty much every way, are better built, and won't depreciate as much.
But to a lot of people looks matter....
The reality is that the equivalent priced Porsches are objectively better in pretty much every way, are better built, and won't depreciate as much.
But to a lot of people looks matter....
Robert-nszl1 said:
A lot of people will buy the F Type on looks alone, and in a way why not? But in my view ALL F Types are too expensive, and these are big cars- I saw one sitting next to an XKR in a showroom, and there isn't much in it sizewise, and probably explains the weight.
The reality is that the equivalent priced Porsches are objectively better in pretty much every way, are better built, and won't depreciate as much.
But to a lot of people looks matter....
Just accept that some people have different preferences, some people prefer Audi to BMW, Ford to Vauxhall, Mazda to Toyota etc.. There are plenty of people who prefer a Jaguar to a Porsche, there just doesn't have to be a rational 'right or wrong' answer.The reality is that the equivalent priced Porsches are objectively better in pretty much every way, are better built, and won't depreciate as much.
But to a lot of people looks matter....
I wouldn't have a Porsche no matter how good people tell me they are, I just don't like them. I would however have an F Type.
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