RE: Jaguar F-Type 2.0: Review

RE: Jaguar F-Type 2.0: Review

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Evilex

512 posts

105 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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ZX10R NIN said:
Is this car meant for foreign markets that penalise cars over 2000cc.
I guess so, given that now the same unit powers quite a few models across the JLR line-up.
Makes good business sense to them, even if the pricing strategy seems skewed to the UK consumer. Are we the largest JLR consumers? Probably not. The Middle East and Asia / China are likely more significant players.

Frimley111R

15,677 posts

235 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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Agree that for £2500 more the V6 is too tempting. A £5000 difference may have swung it but even then I am not sure and as for economy/tax savings I don't think many people paying so much for a car will care.

Resolutionary

1,261 posts

172 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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ZX10R NIN said:
Is this car meant for foreign markets that penalise cars over 2000cc.
It surely must be. I can't begin to understand the mentality of a UK customer who might walk into a Jaguar dealership burning for an F-Type and opt to secure a 4cyl for £2k odd less than a wholly better V6 (i.e. a decent amount of cylinders for a premium sports car at circa £50k) - even with a couple of hundred pounds extra in tax to fork out.

Still I expect we'll see numerous single-exhaust Fs on the roads in months to come.

audidoody

8,597 posts

257 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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Many years ago I had an XJS that required a V12 to generate 300bhp. It was plenty fast but a complete boat.

Knock £8k off the basic price to increase the gap with the V6 and I'd be in like Flynn on one of these.

Entirely sensible engine. Use 50 per ent of the power potential 20 per cent of the time instead of - (with the V8) 10 per cent of the potential five per cent of the time.

Unless you have your own race track and an unlimited tyre budget.

oldtimer2

728 posts

134 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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Jaguar need this in their range. In some markets anything over 2 litres is heavily penalised with taxes. In the UK it looks expensive, but JLR appears to have set a c£3000 OTR pricing differential between the higher output 4s and the lower end V6s across all of its models - both Jaguar and Land Rover. It will be revealing to see if this changes when the in line 6 Ingenium engine is launched.

I imagine that this model is aimed at those who want a good looking sports car without the expense of raw performance. As with the manual gearbox, time will tell if they have got it right. The US market will provide the best test of this. Unfortunately for Jaguar the total US sports car has shrunk over the years.

Yipper

5,964 posts

91 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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A lovely-looking thing, but too slow for its pricepoint.

It either needs 100bhp more for ~£50k, or £10-15k chopping off the current price.

Krikkit

26,541 posts

182 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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oldtimer2 said:
Jaguar need this in their range. In some markets anything over 2 litres is heavily penalised with taxes.
This really, it's not a model for the UK market, they just offer it. I'd spend the extra £3k and get the V6 without question, but if it came at a 30% hike in price (as it would in some markets) that'd be a different story!

craigjm

17,962 posts

201 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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Would be interesting to see the spec sheet differences between the 2.0 and the base v6 so that you can level the spec with options and then see the real difference. If it is 3k and spec is like for like then v6 no brainier for the UK market. It's good to see Jaguar offering products to compete around the world better than ever before though.

Krikkit

26,541 posts

182 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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The spec sheet suggests that the entry-level V6 and 2.0 are identical in equipment - there's the "F-Type" and "F-Type R-Dynamic" trim levels, both engine independent.

andrewparker

8,014 posts

188 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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Usget said:
JLR are to be applauded for fitting the correct number of exhausts to this car. Not eleventy million like VAG do to their 4cyls.
Shame they couldn't get it to move a bit faster.

Della

174 posts

218 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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Toyota and Subaru will be onto a winner when they start selling turbocharged versions of the 86/BRZ. Smaller, lighter, faster, cheaper!!

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

206 months

PH Reportery Lad

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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Hi all,

Just a spot of clarification, and an error on my part...

The original sub-£40K Cayman price was for a MY17 car; for MY18 it's £42,897. Quite a jump, though still a fair bit less than the Jag.

Cheers!


Matt

SpunkyM

250 posts

245 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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Krikkit said:
oldtimer2 said:
Jaguar need this in their range. In some markets anything over 2 litres is heavily penalised with taxes.
This really, it's not a model for the UK market, they just offer it. I'd spend the extra £3k and get the V6 without question, but if it came at a 30% hike in price (as it would in some markets) that'd be a different story!
Sums it up perfectly. Not for the UK and I will doubt you will ever see many on our roads here.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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oldtimer2 said:
Jaguar need this in their range. In some markets anything over 2 litres is heavily penalised with taxes. In the UK it looks expensive, but JLR appears to have set a c£3000 OTR pricing differential between the higher output 4s and the lower end V6s across all of its models - both Jaguar and Land Rover. It will be revealing to see if this changes when the in line 6 Ingenium engine is launched.

I imagine that this model is aimed at those who want a good looking sports car without the expense of raw performance. As with the manual gearbox, time will tell if they have got it right. The US market will provide the best test of this. Unfortunately for Jaguar the total US sports car has shrunk over the years.
I dislike the lash-up V6 they currently use on principle, but for all it's "do the best you can with what you can find" design it works well enough. You'd have to be a complete fkwit to chose a heavily boosted 4 banger over it to save £3k in this or any other car.

I am hoping very much that they manage to make the I6 ingenium less middle of the pack than the I4. The return of the straight six to Jaguar deserves something special.

Roger Irrelevant

2,944 posts

114 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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audidoody said:
Entirely sensible engine. Use 50 per ent of the power potential 20 per cent of the time instead of - (with the V8) 10 per cent of the potential five per cent of the time.
Given the 2.0 has 300 bhp, by my reckoning that means the V8 has 1500bhp! I'll take one of those!

s0me0ne44

4 posts

88 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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For 19k less ill get a brand new VW Golf R. Quicker more eco 4wd and more practical. This is just too expensive 49k for 300bhp 4 pot never.

mcg_

1,445 posts

93 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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s0me0ne44 said:
For 19k less ill get a brand new VW Golf R. Quicker more eco 4wd and more practical. This is just too expensive 49k for 300bhp 4 pot never.
lol

jturn

15 posts

131 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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Good article. Reasoned, well informed and challenging.

Ransoman

884 posts

91 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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s0me0ne44 said:
For 19k less ill get a brand new VW Golf R. Quicker more eco 4wd and more practical. This is just too expensive 49k for 300bhp 4 pot never.
What if you want a 2 seater sports coupe with a cheap to run 4cyl?

Rawwr

22,722 posts

235 months

Wednesday 2nd August 2017
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s0me0ne44 said:
For 19k less ill get a brand new VW Golf R. Quicker more eco 4wd and more practical. This is just too expensive 49k for 300bhp 4 pot never.
lol, there's always one.