RE: New Swift Sport images!
Discussion
culpz said:
How much more enjoyable was the Swift in comparison to the Panda?
I tried both (quite a while ago) and found the Fiat EPAS to be terrible - the worst I've experienced. Neither rides well in standard form. Didn't get a chance to either much of a workout, but both are lively.The second generation SSS is in a different league to the first in terms of refinement, but many owners prefer the raw feel of the first generation.
GroundEffect said:
No we don't. Hatchbacks are designed to be practical. 5dr is practical.
The new Fiesta is available in 3 and 5 door. I would buy the 5. And I am single.
I've never really seen the point in three-door hatches, but there's no denying that quite a lot of people prefer them. I'm surprised there doesn't appear to be a strong enough market for people to produce them any more. The new Fiesta is available in 3 and 5 door. I would buy the 5. And I am single.
I regret selling my SSS Mk1, especially as I only got £2,600 in PX for it when I changed cars. At that price I could have afforded to just throw a cover over it and put it on SORN until I needed it again. It was an absolute hoot to drive and always put a grin on my face.
The Mk2 was a disappointment though - ostensibly "better" in every objective regard but completely lacking the charm, fizz, response, and chuckability of the Mk1, and a mere shadow of it. I hope that the Mk3 is a return to form.
At least turbo cars respond better to tuning. I looked into tuning the Mk1 and there wasn't much that could be done to it that Suzuki hadn't already done to it themselves, apart from perhaps a ram air filter and a freer-flowing exhaust. The £/bhp just didn't add up though, and I kept it standard.
The Mk2 was a disappointment though - ostensibly "better" in every objective regard but completely lacking the charm, fizz, response, and chuckability of the Mk1, and a mere shadow of it. I hope that the Mk3 is a return to form.
At least turbo cars respond better to tuning. I looked into tuning the Mk1 and there wasn't much that could be done to it that Suzuki hadn't already done to it themselves, apart from perhaps a ram air filter and a freer-flowing exhaust. The £/bhp just didn't add up though, and I kept it standard.
ClockworkCupcake said:
I regret selling my SSS Mk1, especially as I only got £2,600 in PX for it when I changed cars. At that price I could have afforded to just throw a cover over it and put it on SORN until I needed it again. It was an absolute hoot to drive and always put a grin on my face.
The Mk2 was a disappointment though - ostensibly "better" in every objective regard but completely lacking the charm, fizz, response, and chuckability of the Mk1, and a mere shadow of it. I hope that the Mk3 is a return to form.
At least turbo cars respond better to tuning. I looked into tuning the Mk1 and there wasn't much that could be done to it that Suzuki hadn't already done to it themselves, apart from perhaps a ram air filter and a freer-flowing exhaust. The £/bhp just didn't add up though, and I kept it standard.
Wouldn't mind a go in a mk1. I think the mk2 is great to drive, so if it's just a shadow of its predecessor then that must 've bloody fantastic. The Mk2 was a disappointment though - ostensibly "better" in every objective regard but completely lacking the charm, fizz, response, and chuckability of the Mk1, and a mere shadow of it. I hope that the Mk3 is a return to form.
At least turbo cars respond better to tuning. I looked into tuning the Mk1 and there wasn't much that could be done to it that Suzuki hadn't already done to it themselves, apart from perhaps a ram air filter and a freer-flowing exhaust. The £/bhp just didn't add up though, and I kept it standard.
Agree on the tuning front, but ~140bhp is enough for a car this size I think.
Very much looking forward to an Up! GTI/SSS comparison. Any other direct competitors? The previous model didn't really have any.
horsemeatscandal said:
Wouldn't mind a go in a mk1. I think the mk2 is great to drive, so if it's just a shadow of its predecessor then that must 've bloody fantastic.
Same here. I have driven one, but the dealer chose a route that really played to it's weaknesses!horsemeatscandal said:
Very much looking forward to an Up! GTI/SSS comparison. Any other direct competitors? The previous model didn't really have any.
IMHO the old models closest competitor was the Fiesta Zetec S/ST Line, but the character of the engines is quite different. Others will tell you that the Mazda2 was a competitor too, but having driven both I'd strongly disagree.It doesn't look like there will be any direct competitors for the mk3 - it's going to be out on a limb. Weight comparable to an Up, power (and price?) comparable to a Fiesta ST Line, straight line performance closer to the (much heavier) Fiesta ST.
It wouldn't surprise me if it's the least refined car in it's class, but the crucial thing will be the feel and response of the controls.
Just bought a very tidy two-and-a-half year-old 10k miler 5 door of the previous generation for a song. An impressive car in every way.
I agree that the styling of the latest one is utterly generic with the gaping yaw grille, C-pillar feature copied from the Vauxhall Astra, and Dacia Sandero rear-end.
I agree that the styling of the latest one is utterly generic with the gaping yaw grille, C-pillar feature copied from the Vauxhall Astra, and Dacia Sandero rear-end.
Edited by r11co on Friday 4th August 19:46
GroundEffect said:
Drive Blind said:
so another new model that's 5dr only? no 3dr option?
we need to stop this trend.
No we don't. Hatchbacks are designed to be practical. 5dr is practical.we need to stop this trend.
The new Fiesta is available in 3 and 5 door. I would buy the 5. And I am single.
Choice is always good, but as with the manual gearbox and naturally aspirated engine, clearly the demand isn't there. 
gweaver said:
IMHO the old models closest competitor was the Fiesta Zetec S/ST Line, but the character of the engines is quite different. Others will tell you that the Mazda2 was a competitor too, but having driven both I'd strongly disagree.
It doesn't look like there will be any direct competitors for the mk3 - it's going to be out on a limb. Weight comparable to an Up, power (and price?) comparable to a Fiesta ST Line, straight line performance closer to the (much heavier) Fiesta ST.
It wouldn't surprise me if it's the least refined car in it's class, but the crucial thing will be the feel and response of the controls.
That's what I mean, the Fiesta has a totally different character. I bought the Swift because it was the only car I could buy new that was well priced (read: cheap) with a naturally aspirated engine and somewhat performance oriented. Okay, it's not a Clio 200 but cars like that aren't made anymore. It doesn't look like there will be any direct competitors for the mk3 - it's going to be out on a limb. Weight comparable to an Up, power (and price?) comparable to a Fiesta ST Line, straight line performance closer to the (much heavier) Fiesta ST.
It wouldn't surprise me if it's the least refined car in it's class, but the crucial thing will be the feel and response of the controls.
Hope this new one sounds a bit better though. There's only a few select areas in the rev range where it sounds any different than my girlfriend's 1.2 Swift. Hence the Remus rear silencer on the way.....
kambites said:
I've never really seen the point in three-door hatches, but there's no denying that quite a lot of people prefer them. I'm surprised there doesn't appear to be a strong enough market for people to produce them any more.
A 3 door hatchback makes a sensible/realistic alternative to a 2 seater Coupe, I'd mention 2+2s were there many credible examples these days.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff