Electric cars, does everyone really think they are amazing.
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mybrainhurts said:
I sometimes see 4 cars queueing at every petrol pump.
If these were electric cars and charging takes 30 minutes, I would have to wait two hours before I could plug mine in, then wait another 30 minutes to half charge the battery.
I could have driven from Sheffield to Heathriow in that time.
You're forgetting the ten minutes of fiddling in the centre console and slowly putting the seatbelt on before driving off x4.If these were electric cars and charging takes 30 minutes, I would have to wait two hours before I could plug mine in, then wait another 30 minutes to half charge the battery.
I could have driven from Sheffield to Heathriow in that time.
mybrainhurts said:
janesmith1950 said:
I don't understand why people think the infrastructure of charging points will be an issue?
Mobile phone infrastructure, takeaway food chains, Aldi, Liddle, Supermarket petrol stations, smart motorways, chip and pin and so on.
I sometimes see 4 cars queueing at every petrol pump.Mobile phone infrastructure, takeaway food chains, Aldi, Liddle, Supermarket petrol stations, smart motorways, chip and pin and so on.
If these were electric cars and charging takes 30 minutes, I would have to wait two hours before I could plug mine in, then wait another 30 minutes to half charge the battery.
I could have driven from Sheffield to Heathriow in that time.
You're not seeing the bigger picture at all
mybrainhurts said:
I sometimes see 4 cars queueing at every petrol pump.
If these were electric cars and charging takes 30 minutes, I would have to wait two hours before I could plug mine in, then wait another 30 minutes to half charge the battery.
I could have driven from Sheffield to Heathriow in that time.
Hence the thrust of my post. The infrastructure proliferation will become exponential and the technological advancements will mean the time it takes to charge and the range wi improve in the same way.If these were electric cars and charging takes 30 minutes, I would have to wait two hours before I could plug mine in, then wait another 30 minutes to half charge the battery.
I could have driven from Sheffield to Heathriow in that time.
I hate the idea of electric, because I prefer dirty great petrol engines. However, EV is coming and we need to accept that.
janesmith1950 said:
mybrainhurts said:
I sometimes see 4 cars queueing at every petrol pump.
If these were electric cars and charging takes 30 minutes, I would have to wait two hours before I could plug mine in, then wait another 30 minutes to half charge the battery.
I could have driven from Sheffield to Heathriow in that time.
Hence the thrust of my post. The infrastructure proliferation will become exponential and the technological advancements will mean the time it takes to charge and the range wi improve in the same way.If these were electric cars and charging takes 30 minutes, I would have to wait two hours before I could plug mine in, then wait another 30 minutes to half charge the battery.
I could have driven from Sheffield to Heathriow in that time.
I hate the idea of electric, because I prefer dirty great petrol engines. However, EV is coming and we need to accept that.
mybrainhurts said:
janesmith1950 said:
mybrainhurts said:
I sometimes see 4 cars queueing at every petrol pump.
If these were electric cars and charging takes 30 minutes, I would have to wait two hours before I could plug mine in, then wait another 30 minutes to half charge the battery.
I could have driven from Sheffield to Heathriow in that time.
Hence the thrust of my post. The infrastructure proliferation will become exponential and the technological advancements will mean the time it takes to charge and the range wi improve in the same way.If these were electric cars and charging takes 30 minutes, I would have to wait two hours before I could plug mine in, then wait another 30 minutes to half charge the battery.
I could have driven from Sheffield to Heathriow in that time.
I hate the idea of electric, because I prefer dirty great petrol engines. However, EV is coming and we need to accept that.
Blaster72 said:
chrispmartha said:
How many people have petrol pumps at home?
You're not seeing the bigger picture at all
The bigger picture is that fuelling an EV isn't as convenient as a fossil fuel car unless every journey you ever make starts at home doesn't go further than half your range away.You're not seeing the bigger picture at all
And to me being able to re fuel your car while you sleep or at work sounds far more convenient than visiting a petrol station every week
chrispmartha said:
mybrainhurts said:
janesmith1950 said:
mybrainhurts said:
I sometimes see 4 cars queueing at every petrol pump.
If these were electric cars and charging takes 30 minutes, I would have to wait two hours before I could plug mine in, then wait another 30 minutes to half charge the battery.
I could have driven from Sheffield to Heathriow in that time.
Hence the thrust of my post. The infrastructure proliferation will become exponential and the technological advancements will mean the time it takes to charge and the range wi improve in the same way.If these were electric cars and charging takes 30 minutes, I would have to wait two hours before I could plug mine in, then wait another 30 minutes to half charge the battery.
I could have driven from Sheffield to Heathriow in that time.
I hate the idea of electric, because I prefer dirty great petrol engines. However, EV is coming and we need to accept that.
chrispmartha said:
Blaster72 said:
chrispmartha said:
How many people have petrol pumps at home?
You're not seeing the bigger picture at all
The bigger picture is that fuelling an EV isn't as convenient as a fossil fuel car unless every journey you ever make starts at home doesn't go further than half your range away.You're not seeing the bigger picture at all
And to me being able to re fuel your car while you sleep or at work sounds far more convenient than visiting a petrol station every week
I'd agree with that Chris. I could quite easily cope with a 200 mile range EV right now if I could charge it somewhere each night but it'd be more hassle than popping to a petrol station every couple of weeks (my petrol car does 500 mile to a tank),
Interesting times ahead for us car lovers.
Interesting times ahead for us car lovers.
Ultimately these threads always end up the same and are based on a broad spectrum of opinions, some warranted, some unreasonable.
Over time opinions will change, even on PH
According to SMMT, so far in 2017 BEV registrations are up 50% on last year, PHEV up 42% (admittedly both together still less than 2% of all car sales)
The infrastructure will improve; more public car parks and street lights will gain charging points; new housing estates and offices will start to work them into the design
The battery technology will improve, capacity has more or less increased by 50% in each of the mainstream vehicles in one model cycle, and new technological breakthroughs like Lithium-air have the potential to add step changes to capacity and/or performance.
Bit by bit that 2% will become 5, 10, 15%.. before we even consider the impacts that automation and car sharing will have.
I try to do my bit by keeping the ZOE in the outside lane and not being the slowest
Over time opinions will change, even on PH
According to SMMT, so far in 2017 BEV registrations are up 50% on last year, PHEV up 42% (admittedly both together still less than 2% of all car sales)
The infrastructure will improve; more public car parks and street lights will gain charging points; new housing estates and offices will start to work them into the design
The battery technology will improve, capacity has more or less increased by 50% in each of the mainstream vehicles in one model cycle, and new technological breakthroughs like Lithium-air have the potential to add step changes to capacity and/or performance.
Bit by bit that 2% will become 5, 10, 15%.. before we even consider the impacts that automation and car sharing will have.
I try to do my bit by keeping the ZOE in the outside lane and not being the slowest
DoubleD said:
chrispmartha said:
Blaster72 said:
chrispmartha said:
How many people have petrol pumps at home?
You're not seeing the bigger picture at all
The bigger picture is that fuelling an EV isn't as convenient as a fossil fuel car unless every journey you ever make starts at home doesn't go further than half your range away.You're not seeing the bigger picture at all
And to me being able to re fuel your car while you sleep or at work sounds far more convenient than visiting a petrol station every week
Max_Torque said:
But you know what, i don't care! I, and many other extremely smart and well backed engineers like me are going to go ahead and revolutionise the passenger car segment anyway
Great, but you're not there yet, contrary to what some people seem to want to claim.Even a top of the range Tesla could not have worked for me on this weekend's trip, or on my regular trips back home for weekends.
Maybe in five years we'll be there, but we aren't today.
essayer said:
Ultimately these threads always end up the same and are based on a broad spectrum of opinions, some warranted, some unreasonable.
Over time opinions will change, even on PH
According to SMMT, so far in 2017 BEV registrations are up 50% on last year, PHEV up 42% (admittedly both together still less than 2% of all car sales)
The infrastructure will improve; more public car parks and street lights will gain charging points; new housing estates and offices will start to work them into the design
The battery technology will improve, capacity has more or less increased by 50% in each of the mainstream vehicles in one model cycle, and new technological breakthroughs like Lithium-air have the potential to add step changes to capacity and/or performance.
Bit by bit that 2% will become 5, 10, 15%.. before we even consider the impacts that automation and car sharing will have.
I try to do my bit by keeping the ZOE in the outside lane and not being the slowest
We've been through all this in NP&e,what will people in flats do?Over time opinions will change, even on PH
According to SMMT, so far in 2017 BEV registrations are up 50% on last year, PHEV up 42% (admittedly both together still less than 2% of all car sales)
The infrastructure will improve; more public car parks and street lights will gain charging points; new housing estates and offices will start to work them into the design
The battery technology will improve, capacity has more or less increased by 50% in each of the mainstream vehicles in one model cycle, and new technological breakthroughs like Lithium-air have the potential to add step changes to capacity and/or performance.
Bit by bit that 2% will become 5, 10, 15%.. before we even consider the impacts that automation and car sharing will have.
I try to do my bit by keeping the ZOE in the outside lane and not being the slowest
What about 3/4 car families?
What happens when Friday night the pissheads unplug your EV's from the lamp post?
What about lorries?
What if I want to drive abroad?
chrispmartha said:
DoubleD said:
chrispmartha said:
Blaster72 said:
chrispmartha said:
How many people have petrol pumps at home?
You're not seeing the bigger picture at all
The bigger picture is that fuelling an EV isn't as convenient as a fossil fuel car unless every journey you ever make starts at home doesn't go further than half your range away.You're not seeing the bigger picture at all
And to me being able to re fuel your car while you sleep or at work sounds far more convenient than visiting a petrol station every week
I see it more like this:
Petrol cap location and size is almost standardised. Standardise the battery location and....
Imagine, you drive into the forecourt, land the rear two wheels into a divot / detent in the concrete. Simple enough for even the most technically challenged of drivers.
A jack device comes out of the floor and removes your "battery / capacitor / power supply" (delete as appropriate) and replaces it with a fresh one. You hand over the £10 and your old battery goes off to the fuel station's charging bank to be charged and then ready to be issued to the next punter in ~4 hours. Each pump would need 48 batteries at constant use at 5 minute change-out intervals.
Car does a self check of the battery you receive, if you're happy with the KWh you got for your tenner, you drive off for another 300 miles and repeat.
You wouldn't even need fancy machines if you were happy to have a forecourt attendant swap the battery out for you. It could be done with a simple adapted pallet truck.
Want extra range? "We have 500Kwh super lithium nano carbon Tesla batteries if sir would like to pay a premium...?"
All reachable within 5 years.
I won't buy one tho. I like my exhaust note too much. 😋
WM
Petrol cap location and size is almost standardised. Standardise the battery location and....
Imagine, you drive into the forecourt, land the rear two wheels into a divot / detent in the concrete. Simple enough for even the most technically challenged of drivers.
A jack device comes out of the floor and removes your "battery / capacitor / power supply" (delete as appropriate) and replaces it with a fresh one. You hand over the £10 and your old battery goes off to the fuel station's charging bank to be charged and then ready to be issued to the next punter in ~4 hours. Each pump would need 48 batteries at constant use at 5 minute change-out intervals.
Car does a self check of the battery you receive, if you're happy with the KWh you got for your tenner, you drive off for another 300 miles and repeat.
You wouldn't even need fancy machines if you were happy to have a forecourt attendant swap the battery out for you. It could be done with a simple adapted pallet truck.
Want extra range? "We have 500Kwh super lithium nano carbon Tesla batteries if sir would like to pay a premium...?"
All reachable within 5 years.
I won't buy one tho. I like my exhaust note too much. 😋
WM
gtidriver said:
I was in Italy for the last few weeks and saw loads of Teslas. Lots from Norway or Sweden. Don't think the long driving holidays are over just yet.
The Tesla Model S is the top-selling new car in Norway. While that's mostly because of ridiculous tax incentives (and Norwegian salaries), another advantage in Scandinavia is that most car parks already have an electrical outlet for each space so people can plug in their engine block heaters in the winter.Plinth said:
Blib said:
There's an electric 911 for sale at Classic Chrome in Mortlake. It's an SC converted. £75k iirc.
There was an article in a recent Porsche magazine about an electric 911SC (the same car?) and they thought it was pretty good.Restored from something that was barely a runner, and converted. It's for sale on PH too https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Edited by ajprice on Sunday 6th August 22:29
janesmith1950 said:
Put it another way...
You're on the board of BMW/Mercedes/Toyota etc, and you have the choice of investing £300m on the next generation of ICE, OR, the same on an EV (figures purely plucked out od the air).
Which would you do?
With 98% of sales being ICE i would still be heavily investing in thatYou're on the board of BMW/Mercedes/Toyota etc, and you have the choice of investing £300m on the next generation of ICE, OR, the same on an EV (figures purely plucked out od the air).
Which would you do?
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