Electric cars, does everyone really think they are amazing.
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History shows Tesla is very unlikely to survive, due to its massive debt and losses...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
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Yipper said:
History shows Tesla is very unlikely to survive, due to its massive debt and losses...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
you link to your own thread with wow 2 whole posts on it.https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
you've already bulls
tted about the zoe price on another ev thread.400,000 orders for a $35-50k car, if they get the production up to speed soon they will be fine.
if they cant well they will be in the s
t.Pretty straight forward isnt it.
Yipper said:
History shows Tesla is very unlikely to survive, due to its massive debt and losses...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Your about 5 years late with that 'prediction' https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://jalopnik.com/5887265/tesla-motors-devastat...
'News' stories about Tesla failing are about as exciting as dog poo on Parisan streets
.Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 25th October 03:58
Edited by gangzoom on Wednesday 25th October 04:02
A question for the No people... It is kind of hypothetical at the moment, but not for long I personally think.
If an EV is on sale, costs the same as an Ice car that you are looking to buy, looks the same as the ICE car, handles the same, battery lasts a realistic 250miles, charges in 15mins on long trips, and overnight at home (and you are never more than 10 mins away from a fast charging point) , and guarantees that the battery will not lose significant capacity over 100,000 miles. Would you buy one? And if not why not? What would be the tipping point for you to switch to a yes?
If an EV is on sale, costs the same as an Ice car that you are looking to buy, looks the same as the ICE car, handles the same, battery lasts a realistic 250miles, charges in 15mins on long trips, and overnight at home (and you are never more than 10 mins away from a fast charging point) , and guarantees that the battery will not lose significant capacity over 100,000 miles. Would you buy one? And if not why not? What would be the tipping point for you to switch to a yes?
pherlopolus said:
A question for the No people... It is kind of hypothetical at the moment, but not for long I personally think.
If an EV is on sale, costs the same as an Ice car that you are looking to buy, looks the same as the ICE car, handles the same, battery lasts a realistic 250miles, charges in 15mins on long trips, and overnight at home (and you are never more than 10 mins away from a fast charging point) , and guarantees that the battery will not lose significant capacity over 100,000 miles. Would you buy one? And if not why not? What would be the tipping point for you to switch to a yes?
Sure. For a general car, why not?If an EV is on sale, costs the same as an Ice car that you are looking to buy, looks the same as the ICE car, handles the same, battery lasts a realistic 250miles, charges in 15mins on long trips, and overnight at home (and you are never more than 10 mins away from a fast charging point) , and guarantees that the battery will not lose significant capacity over 100,000 miles. Would you buy one? And if not why not? What would be the tipping point for you to switch to a yes?
But it'll be a long time before all those requirements are met, for me, due to my location (Perth, Australia)
Nearest charging point is 100miles away (the next is 1600miles).
I semi-often am doing trips that are 300 miles in a day.
I'm not sure an EV will ever give the aural feedback that I enjoy on a trackday, so I'd still need two cars.
pherlopolus said:
A question for the No people... It is kind of hypothetical at the moment, but not for long I personally think.
If an EV is on sale, costs the same as an Ice car that you are looking to buy, looks the same as the ICE car, handles the same, battery lasts a realistic 250miles, charges in 15mins on long trips, and overnight at home (and you are never more than 10 mins away from a fast charging point) , and guarantees that the battery will not lose significant capacity over 100,000 miles. Would you buy one? And if not why not? What would be the tipping point for you to switch to a yes?
Yes, if the price is right, and it's not too large (needs to be Golf-sized).If an EV is on sale, costs the same as an Ice car that you are looking to buy, looks the same as the ICE car, handles the same, battery lasts a realistic 250miles, charges in 15mins on long trips, and overnight at home (and you are never more than 10 mins away from a fast charging point) , and guarantees that the battery will not lose significant capacity over 100,000 miles. Would you buy one? And if not why not? What would be the tipping point for you to switch to a yes?
Such a car does not exist yet, but I'm sure it will one day.
pherlopolus said:
A question for the No people... It is kind of hypothetical at the moment, but not for long I personally think.
If an EV is on sale, costs the same as an Ice car that you are looking to buy, looks the same as the ICE car, handles the same, battery lasts a realistic 250miles, charges in 15mins on long trips, and overnight at home (and you are never more than 10 mins away from a fast charging point) , and guarantees that the battery will not lose significant capacity over 100,000 miles. Would you buy one? And if not why not? What would be the tipping point for you to switch to a yes?
For a station car, second car or similar I'd take the EV.If an EV is on sale, costs the same as an Ice car that you are looking to buy, looks the same as the ICE car, handles the same, battery lasts a realistic 250miles, charges in 15mins on long trips, and overnight at home (and you are never more than 10 mins away from a fast charging point) , and guarantees that the battery will not lose significant capacity over 100,000 miles. Would you buy one? And if not why not? What would be the tipping point for you to switch to a yes?
As an only car, as long as the petrol car had a characterful engine I would buy that. Day to day driving can be made fun with an engine with a little character. Our day to day car has a 5.0V8, as V8 engines go it's not that exciting but getting it working and doing the odd overtake on a journey make it more fun and makes the extra day to day cost worthwhile.
If I come to look at cars as a tool only, I'll probably switch to An EV.
We currently have a ML500, Defender 110, Audi TT and a 500e. All have their own character and I enjoy driving. The way an electric car produces its power, despite being fast doesn't do anything for me at all. If we didn't have the TT I'd be tempted by a Zoe or similar still though as the use it would get would be perfectly suited to an electric car. That's head over heart though.
Dave!
pherlopolus said:
A question for the No people... It is kind of hypothetical at the moment, but not for long I personally think.
If an EV is on sale, costs the same as an Ice car that you are looking to buy, looks the same as the ICE car, handles the same, battery lasts a realistic 250miles, charges in 15mins on long trips, and overnight at home (and you are never more than 10 mins away from a fast charging point) , and guarantees that the battery will not lose significant capacity over 100,000 miles. Would you buy one? And if not why not? What would be the tipping point for you to switch to a yes?
Only as a workhorse - for reasons I've mentioned previously. As long as I have an ICE that I can enjoy at the weekend; or summers afternoon.If an EV is on sale, costs the same as an Ice car that you are looking to buy, looks the same as the ICE car, handles the same, battery lasts a realistic 250miles, charges in 15mins on long trips, and overnight at home (and you are never more than 10 mins away from a fast charging point) , and guarantees that the battery will not lose significant capacity over 100,000 miles. Would you buy one? And if not why not? What would be the tipping point for you to switch to a yes?
I think the direction of development of ICE vehicles is going to continue to narrow the gap in terms of character. I'm not sure that the increasingly hybridised, automated, downsized, down-speeded, down-cylindered ICE powertrains are going to offer much more character than EVs will. And older cars will increasingly be excluded from parts of the road network.
kambites said:
I'm sure they don't exist but I'd love to see some statistics for who actually does 200+ mile journeys without reasonable length breaks. I certainly never have in 20 years of driving.
Most for me is usually about 250 but I don't do them very often.Once/if electric cars can hit a reliable 350-400 mile range (which isn't that far off let's face it) and fast charge points become both ubiquitous and reliably available range probably isn't going to be much of an issue for most drivers. That's an easy 250 miles for a max journey segment, plus a bit of faffing and running around plus a decent "safety" margin.
confused_buyer said:
kambites said:
I'm sure they don't exist but I'd love to see some statistics for who actually does 200+ mile journeys without reasonable length breaks. I certainly never have in 20 years of driving.
Most for me is usually about 250 but I don't do them very often.Once/if electric cars can hit a reliable 350-400 mile range (which isn't that far off let's face it) and fast charge points become both ubiquitous and reliably available range probably isn't going to be much of an issue for most drivers. That's an easy 250 miles for a max journey segment, plus a bit of faffing and running around plus a decent "safety" margin.
It wouldn't work for me yet.
I have allocated parking spaces (well, I do when other residents or visitors aren't in them) but I'd still need to put the lead over the fence which isn't really any good!
I may be in the South East, but out in the sticks apparently - zapmap tells me my nearest charging point is 2.4 miles away in Camberley!
It might work if I had a job at BMW in Farnborough though - they seem to have plenty in their car parks!
And 4 or 5 times a year I do just over 200 miles (usually with no stop) to visit a friend.
I do quite like the idea of something like a Chevy Volt that has an ICE as well - whatever happened to them? Or I suppose an i3 with range extender might work, but the only person I know with one says it has been nothing but trouble.
Time will tell!
I have allocated parking spaces (well, I do when other residents or visitors aren't in them) but I'd still need to put the lead over the fence which isn't really any good!
I may be in the South East, but out in the sticks apparently - zapmap tells me my nearest charging point is 2.4 miles away in Camberley!
It might work if I had a job at BMW in Farnborough though - they seem to have plenty in their car parks!
And 4 or 5 times a year I do just over 200 miles (usually with no stop) to visit a friend.
I do quite like the idea of something like a Chevy Volt that has an ICE as well - whatever happened to them? Or I suppose an i3 with range extender might work, but the only person I know with one says it has been nothing but trouble.
Time will tell!
Mr Tidy said:
I do quite like the idea of something like a Chevy Volt that has an ICE as well - whatever happened to them? Or I suppose an i3 with range extender might work, but the only person I know with one says it has been nothing but trouble.
Time will tell!
Sold as the Vauxhall Ampera (with limited sold as Chevrolet Volts) in the UK for 2012 to 2015 (2015 models are rare).Time will tell!
Can be picked up for £8k-15k in the UK, and very popular with owners on SpeakEV.
otolith said:
I did 270 miles without a stop on Tuesday, and to be honest, it was too much. That was in a Merc E class, which is designed to be a mile muncher, but still. Not sensible.
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