Electric cars, does everyone really think they are amazing.
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I looked into the env nissan van but the real range of ~60 miles or so while fine most of the time would be inadequate 2 or 3 days a month... but I can't have a van dictating when and where I can go, and neither would a dual vehicle setup work.
Not to worry, it seems lots more virtue signalling hypercars, supercars, suvs, and limos is what will save the world and city environments, all those vans pushing out clouds of diesel while the drivers carry out essential duties in our cities arent the problem.
That aside the phev setup seems odd... in say the bmw and outlander you get a little electric range 25/30 miles then fullsize engine to provide full car power, why not a 50-60 mile battery range and a smaller engine that can charge the battery? You dont use full power all the time, you just need it in reserve, which the battery pack would have.
Not to worry, it seems lots more virtue signalling hypercars, supercars, suvs, and limos is what will save the world and city environments, all those vans pushing out clouds of diesel while the drivers carry out essential duties in our cities arent the problem.
That aside the phev setup seems odd... in say the bmw and outlander you get a little electric range 25/30 miles then fullsize engine to provide full car power, why not a 50-60 mile battery range and a smaller engine that can charge the battery? You dont use full power all the time, you just need it in reserve, which the battery pack would have.
Love my Ampera, not a true EV but does my commute almost purely on Electric with charging at work. Far prefer driving it to anything with an ICE for just getting from A to B.
I'm not sure anything EV is as dynamic as my second car (MX5) but I'm sure there's plenty of potential for it.
I'm not sure anything EV is as dynamic as my second car (MX5) but I'm sure there's plenty of potential for it.
gangzoom said:
No.
20k covered in various different EVs since 2015, currenly awating delivery of our second Tesla (first one written off by a Seat driver who didnt understand how junctions work). Have a Model 3 on order for my wife, once that's here we'll have a fully electric driveway.
Hey, you're not allowed to be on SpeakEv and Pisstonheads, it's not allowed!20k covered in various different EVs since 2015, currenly awating delivery of our second Tesla (first one written off by a Seat driver who didnt understand how junctions work). Have a Model 3 on order for my wife, once that's here we'll have a fully electric driveway.
Yipper said:
Electric is good because it eliminates local fume and noise pollution and helps everyone live longer.
In 100 years, society will scoff at how everyone lived with transportation that spewed life-shortening black soot in their faces every day.
Exactly. Look at it like sewage. Everyone still craps and pisses, but not it doesn't go into the street, a hole or the river. It's processed intensively but efficiently at a single site which minimises impact to society and the environment.In 100 years, society will scoff at how everyone lived with transportation that spewed life-shortening black soot in their faces every day.
hairyben said:
That aside the phev setup seems odd... in say the bmw and outlander you get a little electric range 25/30 miles then fullsize engine to provide full car power, why not a 50-60 mile battery range and a smaller engine that can charge the battery? You dont use full power all the time, you just need it in reserve, which the battery pack would have.
PHEVs vary greatly in setup. But don't forget the issue with many is packaging. An engine and fuel tank doesn't change much just because you change the displacement, but EV batteries at volume hungry.Cars like the Ampera have the same issue, but the ICE (usually) only acts as an electrical generator to the Electric motor, which is the prime mover. This isn't the case in many cars where the Electric motor is just a low speed or boost device.
loose cannon said:
CoolHands said:
The main problem that can't be overcome is millions of people live in flats or blocks where charging is impossible. We don't all have a 3-bed semi with a drive.
And the standard reply is to that is la la la not listening La la la AND if you drive 600 miles everyday carrying a wardrobe then 95% of the cars on the road aren't suitable for you either
sonnenschein3000 said:
Hydrogen is seen as a liquid battery in many ways, and this is because, in terms of chemistry, you need to put electrical energy into breaking up a H20 bond (water) and getting the hydrogen out. What you have essentially done is invested energy into that hydrogen. The hydrogen then gets transported to a local fuel station, and then a hydrogen combustion engine car driver fills his car up with hydrogen similar to as if it were a petrol, and then he can just use it as if it were a petrol. Its a proper engine that revs, has an exhaust noise etc., and only creates water as its sole emission.
This is the ideal solution for PH'ers in my opinion. Its good for the environment (provided that the electricity in the first place comes from a sustainable source), and there is almost no sacrifice of fun or enjoyment. I'm pretty sure that if a E63 AMG, or an M5, or an RS6 became hydrogen-combustion, nobody would complain.
Trouble is that if hydrogen is just a battery, it's miles behind actual batteries in terms of efficiency:This is the ideal solution for PH'ers in my opinion. Its good for the environment (provided that the electricity in the first place comes from a sustainable source), and there is almost no sacrifice of fun or enjoyment. I'm pretty sure that if a E63 AMG, or an M5, or an RS6 became hydrogen-combustion, nobody would complain.
loose cannon said:
CoolHands said:
The main problem that can't be overcome is millions of people live in flats or blocks where charging is impossible. We don't all have a 3-bed semi with a drive.
And the standard reply is to that is la la la not listening La la la Who knows how long the transition period will be to fully electric, if at all. I can't imagine the oil industry and countries whose economic futures depend on the sales of O&G to take sit back and allow the transfer of wealth to happen.
For those unable to commit to owning a fully electric car, I'm pretty sure there will be a thriving classic car scene!
Induction charging is currently being developed by the manufacturers which could help reduce cable removal fears in urban areas and more recently a trial is underway looking at the feasibility of embedding induction charging within a stretch of road. It's obviously pie in the sky stuff now as well as ridiculously expensive, but you have to start somewhere and they've the next 20-40 years to refine and reduce costs.
Yipper said:
Electric is good because it eliminates local fume and noise pollution and helps everyone live longer.
In 100 years, society will scoff at how everyone lived with transportation that spewed life-shortening black soot in their faces every day.
Have you never heard of The Great Horse Manure Crisis of 1894, it was far worse then:In 100 years, society will scoff at how everyone lived with transportation that spewed life-shortening black soot in their faces every day.
http://bytesdaily.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/great-hor...
sonnenschein3000 said:
This is the ideal solution for PH'ers in my opinion. Its good for the environment (provided that the electricity in the first place comes from a sustainable source), and there is almost no sacrifice of fun or enjoyment. I'm pretty sure that if a E63 AMG, or an M5, or an RS6 became hydrogen-combustion, nobody would complain.
I personally think we're more likely to see ICE continue through LPG/CNG as the infrastructure is more accessible than Hydrogen. It's certainly something I would consider for a classic (though you'd likely loose all practical luggage space). This could be dervied from bio or landfill sources.sonnenschein3000 said:
IMO the best solution was this idea of a hydrogen otto-cycle engine, like what BMW did a few years ago with the Hydrogen 7 (7 series) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7
Well it's clearly working for Jonathan Creek, so maybe we should give it more consideration...Jimmy Recard said:
VonSenger said:
£184pcm, With £500 down. 8k miles pa.
Cheap motoring.
8k miles a year?Cheap motoring.
Pretty useless. That just isn't enough for most people. If you're retired and sit at home all day, it's probably more than enough. For anyone else I can't see it working
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Yipper said:
Electric is good because it eliminates local fume and noise pollution and helps everyone live longer.
In 100 years, society will scoff at how everyone lived with transportation that spewed life-shortening black soot in their faces every day.
We're living longer than ever so I'm not sure how we're going to deal an even bigger pension issue if we're going to allow poor people to live over, say 60 years old. Maybe we can make cigarettes trendy again. In 100 years, society will scoff at how everyone lived with transportation that spewed life-shortening black soot in their faces every day.
I would consider an electric car, if I could get something for the same price as a comparable (size, performance, comfort) petrol or diesel car. The only reason why I would choose electric is if it was significantly cheaper to run - energy, depreciation, servicing, road tax.
Range and charging aren't really an issue, as I have my own driveway, and I rarely travel more than 150 miles in a day.
For many people in this area, charging infrastructure is a big issue. We have one public charging point at one local supermarket, plus a few at tourist attractions and campsites. That's it within a 45 minute drive of my house. There are 9 petrol stations with a 15 minute drive.
Range and charging aren't really an issue, as I have my own driveway, and I rarely travel more than 150 miles in a day.
For many people in this area, charging infrastructure is a big issue. We have one public charging point at one local supermarket, plus a few at tourist attractions and campsites. That's it within a 45 minute drive of my house. There are 9 petrol stations with a 15 minute drive.
Jimmy Recard said:
VonSenger said:
£184pcm, With £500 down. 8k miles pa.
Cheap motoring.
8k miles a year?Cheap motoring.
Pretty useless. That just isn't enough for most people. If you're retired and sit at home all day, it's probably more than enough. For anyone else I can't see it working
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