Electric cars, does everyone really think they are amazing.

[Blib]

There's an electric 911 for sale at Classic Chrome in Mortlake. It's an SC converted. £75k iirc.

[hairyben]

sjg said:

Jimmy Recard said:

VonSenger said:

£184pcm, With £500 down. 8k miles pa.
Cheap motoring.

8k miles a year?

Pretty useless. That just isn't enough for most people. If you're retired and sit at home all day, it's probably more than enough. For anyone else I can't see it working

It's just over the average annual mileage for cars in the UK.

Probably quite a misleading statistic though, as most people will either use a car daily and do lots more (probable new car) or use one occasionally and do less (and probable older car), the actual number of people doing the average is probably quite low Id have thought?

[Plinth]

Blib said:

There's an electric 911 for sale at Classic Chrome in Mortlake. It's an SC converted. £75k iirc.

There was an article in a recent Porsche magazine about an electric 911SC (the same car?) and they thought it was pretty good.

[McFarnsworth]

I'd like one, but I regularly do trips that are way beyond the range of an EV.
And I don't commute/bumble around town enough to justify an EV solely for those trips, and something else for long distances.

[V8RX7]

manracer said:

What car for less than 150k costs as little to run and also has the acceleration the Tesla is capable of and also has autopilot capabilities and also has can sit 5 or 7 in relative comfort and refinement?

I think you are confused

Most of us don't spend £150k on a car, nor need the acceleration of a Tesla, nor want autopilot.

Back in the real world.... a mate leased an i3 for his wife but as he works away and takes the family car and sometimes she wants / needs to visit her family meaning a 250 mile trip, when it came to the end of the deal they replaced it with a new Audi diesel.

[The Mad Monk]

Jimmy Recard said:

8k miles a year?

Pretty useless. That just isn't enough for most people. If you're retired and sit at home all day, it's probably more than enough. For anyone else I can't see it working

I wouldn't mind betting that 8k miles a year is just above the median.

Therefore I consider that your statement is inaccurate.

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Edited by The Mad Monk on Sunday 6th August 16:36

[Yipper]

Number of public electric-charging points in UK in 2017 = ~5k;
Number of petrol pumps in UK in 2017 = ~50k.

Average time to refill a petrol car = ~5mins;
Average time to refill an electric car = ~30mins (public) / ~300mins (home).

There is a long way to go yet.

[Hoofy]

Yipper said:

Number of public electric-charging points in UK in 2017 = ~5k;
Number of petrol pumps in UK in 2017 = ~50k.

Average time to refill a petrol car = ~5mins;
Average time to refill an electric car = ~30mins (public) / ~300mins (home).

There is a long way to go yet.

Yeah. Maybe things will be vastly different by 2040; right now, EV tech works well for a limited number of people.

I wonder if they can do induction parking spaces - park over a parking space and it starts to top up your battery. That'd be cool and make it more convenient than a normal petrol/diesel/ICE engine if you don't have to plug anything in.

[techguyone]

[quote]

The government will have to tax EV usage eventually to make up the shortfall in revenue from VED as all are free and they are much more efficient so much less energy is used and currently the VAT is 5% for domestic electricity, compared with 60 % in fuel duty and VAT on fossil fuels.

Not sure how they will do it as its pretty difficult on a home charger to determine what is using the energy, so if they put up VAT on electricity it puts bills up across the board for showers, boiling kettles and other essentials, as take up of EV's becomes more prevalent, then they will obviously have to do something, I cant imagine that there isnt a group working on how to do it right now.

I think everyone should pay to drive on the roads, if you dont want to pay, you can walk or cycle.



As for commercial vehicles, that will come, for town bound vans it would work but not yet for long distances.


[/quote]

I reckon any shortfall on tax on fuel/VED will be made up either by smart meters charging more for car charging than regular leccy and/or black boxes fitted to cars so you PAYG (I don't really mind that as it seems fair, more you go, more you pay)
downside may be things like automated speed fines etc as now they'll be able to see where you are and how fast you're going and compare to the speed limit of that locality.

[anonymous-user]

Yipper said:

Number of public electric-charging points in UK in 2017 = ~5k;
Number of petrol pumps in UK in 2017 = ~50k.

Average time to refill a petrol car = ~5mins;
Average time to refill an electric car = ~30mins (public) / ~300mins (home).

There is a long way to go yet.

Listen, i'm going to say it one more time an then i'm giving up:

YOU NEED PUBLIC PETROL PUMPS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FILL UP AT HOME

there, did you get that?

I've owned my EV for just over 11 months, and i've never yet had to use a public charger!

[Cupramax]

Blib said:

There's an electric 911 for sale at Classic Chrome in Mortlake. It's an SC converted. £75k iirc.

They just done a show on Fully Charged about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJLdzRJdKrs

[essayer]

ZOE - 80 miles today, 18kWh - about £1. That's 4 up with stretches of 80mph on the M25.

[Blaster72]

Max_Torque said:

Listen, i'm going to say it one more time an then i'm giving up:

YOU NEED PUBLIC PETROL PUMPS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FILL UP AT HOME

there, did you get that?

I've owned my EV for just over 11 months, and i've never yet had to use a public charger!

Bully for you, as said many times, in many EV threads - lots of people don't have off street parking and won't be able to charge at home. i.e. There will be a big demand for public chargers.

[kambites]

Blaster72 said:

Bully for you, as said many times, in many EV threads - lots of people don't have off street parking and won't be able to charge at home. i.e. There will be a big demand for public chargers.

However common public charging gets, IMO you'd be mad to buy a current tech EV unless you can charge at home.

[ruggedscotty]

Its not about the range - its about getting charging times lowered and public chargers into the general domain. If we could break 50 mile range per minute then we would be talking. 25o miles in 5 minutes ? plenty of charging points who would be complaining ?

this is where we need to concentrate - you don't need fuel just decent electrical distribution and rapid charging.

the day will come.

[Blaster72]

kambites said:

However common public charging gets, IMO you'd be mad to buy a current tech EV unless you can charge at home.

Yep,. I'd agree with that.

[James_B]

pti said:

P100D has an EPA range of 335 miles...

As I understand it, in December, with traffic jams, the heater, lights, and windscreen wipers on, it won't do three hundred miles.

[kambites]

If we're ever going to get to the point where EVs are suitable for everyone, yes we probably need properly fast public chargers (although I don't think 50 miles a minute is viable as long as they're using batteries), but there's still an enormous untapped market of people who wouldn't need public charging at all which the EV manufacturers would be better off focussing on for the moment.

[Blaster72]

EPA range is almost as laughable as manufacturers official MPG.

[kambites]

Blaster72 said:

EPA range is almost as laughable as manufacturers official MPG.

It is the official MPG figures, at least in the states.

It's a damned slight better than NEDC, though.