RE: New Mountune Focus RS upgrades

[RabbitRabbitRabbit]

Ahbefive said:

Question remains unanswered.

No surprise really, just regurgitating what's been written and debunked plenty of times before.

[Ahbefive]

aaron_2000 said:

As I said. Anyone who's buying a Focus RS because they care about having a real drivers car that can also carry 5 people would be happy to consider the faster. cheaper, lighter, better built Japanese car that's already been hit by depreciation, as opposed to just buying one because you can get good lease deals on them.

That impreza is lovely but is now an old car that can't be compared with a new one. Can you get the litchfield impreza with 5 years warranty?

DCCD is great but not as fun as the twinster awd system.

Where have you seen good lease deals on tbe RS? Very interested as a friend really wants one having come to Silverstone so I would love to furnish him with the details. I suspect this is just untrue though.

[HedgeyGedgey]

RabbitRabbitRabbit said:

HedgeyGedgey said:

I never said where the measurements were taken from. The ecu obbiously shuts down the diff for a reason. The clutch packs overheat fact yes? Just adding more power/torque will make the design problem worse yes? The chief engineer on a small YouTube channel called mighty car mods said the car is pretty much at it's limits yes? The rear diff is well known weak point and very well documented, if you want to know which tuning company's have run into issues with it shutting down then why not research them yourself it's well documented on the interweb.



http://jalopnik.com/this-is-how-much-power-the-for...
worth a read........

I know you never said where the measurements come from I never said you did, I was educating you as you need it. The rear clutch packs will inevitably overheat, as will anything when friction occurs. But simply saying they are a weak point because of an intentional safety feature is just moronic. They can handle more power, just look at the Revo stage 2, 438 bhp and they don't instantly switch off with that power.

So you can't link anything about the RDU switching off for any reason other than heat, well that says a lot.

Edited by RabbitRabbitRabbit on Tuesday 8th August 18:15

Edited by RabbitRabbitRabbit on Tuesday 8th August 18:17

Other manufacturers can make rear diffs that will cope with a hell of lot more power. But because it's a ford it's everyone else's fault other than the blatant design floor in the differential by ford. I don't need educating thanks I don't see what your point is or trying to prove. I said the clutch packs overheat, so have you. More power/torque generates friction therefore heat, adding more power to the car will exercise the fact the rear diff is ste. You only have to look at the size of the differential to know it wouldn't cope with much power. Absolule bks it's a safety feature! Safety feature to stop itself grenading to pieces perhaps

[SidewaysSi]

Ahbefive said:

SidewaysSi said:

Did you have to stand on the seat? Seems like you have a pretty good range and I assume this was all one handed?

You haven't been in one have you, helmet was touching the roif as the seat is so high. Not one handed buy yes I did feel like a total hero doing it, so much fun.

So you were pissing on MK2s with your helmet touching the roof? Both hands on your helmet or the shaft? Out of interest, how did you angle the urine out of the window? Or did it bounce off the roof, onto your head and then outside?

With such a move I bet you felt like a hero...

[HedgeyGedgey]

RabbitRabbitRabbit said:

Ahbefive said:

Question remains unanswered.

No surprise really, just regurgitating what's been written and debunked plenty of times before.

You've written in your reply that the rdu overheats and switches itself off as a safety feature

[RabbitRabbitRabbit]

HedgeyGedgey said:

Other manufacturers can make rear diffs that will cope with a hell of lot more power. But because it's a ford it's everyone else's fault other than the blatant design floor in the differential by ford. I don't need educating thanks I don't see what your point is or trying to prove. I said the clutch packs overheat, so have you. More power/torque generates friction therefore heat, adding more power to the car will exercise the fact the rear diff is ste. You only have to look at the size of the differential to know it wouldn't cope with much power. Absolule bks it's a safety feature! Safety feature to stop itself grenading to pieces perhaps

You are unable to tell me how much power the RDU can handle, and that's because you don't know, just repeating something you read and playing it off as real world knowledge, but you keep on showing your complete lack of knowledge and immaturity on the subject. The fact it's a Ford is irrelevant, you also completely contradict yourself, you say it's a design flaw, yet you acknowledge friction generates heat. So how is it a design flaw?, they knew using clutch packs would generate heat, they used passive cooling fins as running an active cooling system would cost/weigh too much, hence the need for the safety shut down. The RDU is designed to be maintenance free/non serviceable.

Edited by RabbitRabbitRabbit on Tuesday 8th August 18:50

[RabbitRabbitRabbit]

HedgeyGedgey said:

You've written in your reply that the rdu overheats and switches itself off as a safety feature

Very astute of you.

[Ahbefive]

SidewaysSi said:

With such a move I bet you felt like a hero...

It sure did feel heroic, you should try it sometime. Full tarzan/superman. Grab the kraam firmly though so as not to get drips on the alcantara, nobody like a pissy seat, well maybe not nobody. It's probably difficult if you only have a little one though, certainly takes practice even when fully equipped with rhino megadong.

[lewis87]

Interesting read about the RS's shortcomings:

http://www.vorshlag.com/forums/showthread.php?p=58...

The car does seem to get a lot of flack on PH but I would have one over a golf R for sure, if I ever want to sell my impreza that is.

[anonymous-user]

HedgeyGedgey said:

Other manufacturers can make rear diffs that will cope with a hell of lot more power. But because it's a ford it's everyone else's fault other than the blatant design floor in the differential by ford. I don't need educating thanks

You shouldn't really start a sentence with a conjunction and it's flaw. Sorry

A Ford owner.

[RabbitRabbitRabbit]

lewis87 said:

Interesting read about the RS's shortcomings:

http://www.vorshlag.com/forums/showthread.php?p=58...

The car does seem to get a lot of flack on PH but I would have one over a golf R for sure, if I ever want to sell my impreza that is.

Ah yes, the Focus RS haters weapon of choice. I bet that's on your Favourites Tab.

Joking aside it's a very interesting article, for a car with so many supposed short comings, it's done amazingly well in reviews and sales.

[aaron_2000]

Ahbefive said:

That impreza is lovely but is now an old car that can't be compared with a new one. Can you get the litchfield impreza with 5 years warranty?

DCCD is great but not as fun as the twinster awd system.

Where have you seen good lease deals on tbe RS? Very interested as a friend really wants one having come to Silverstone so I would love to furnish him with the details. I suspect this is just untrue though.

The Polar dealer up here will do a £3K deposit contribution when you put in £4K which brings payments down to around £335-£340

[AJB88]

Carl_Manchester said:

From my own research the maximum, warranted Stage 1 tune for the Mark 7 Golf R from Oettinger/VW Racing is 360bhp

In the UK no tune is warranted.

Companies in States/ Germany may chose to either have a deal with VW USA/DE or actually pick up the warranty costs themselves.

[Tuvra]

aaron_2000 said:

Tuvra said:

I wasn't aware that they made a blob or hawk eye in 2010? Ohh wait, you just moved the goal posts......

aaron_2000 said:

For £20,000 you can get ones that have had all the work done, you can get a Litchfield 420 hatchback for dead on £20K that'd see any new hot hatch left behind.

As I said. Anyone who's buying a Focus RS because they care about having a real drivers car that can also carry 5 people would be happy to consider the faster. cheaper, lighter, better built Japanese car that's already been hit by depreciation, as opposed to just buying one because you can get good lease deals on them.

Jealousy strong with this one

I know loads of RS owners, none of them would even contemplate owning any Impreza and neither would I. Therefore your statement mentioning "anyone", like everything else you have said so far is absolute bks.

[Tuvra]

aaron_2000 said:

The Polar dealer up here will do a £3K deposit contribution when you put in £4K which brings payments down to around £335-£340

Even if that was true and that was a lease deal, that would be the equivalent of £600+ a month. What your mentioning there would be a PCP, even then it's absolute bks because no dealer is giving you that. You can't even get the £500 contribution "Test Drive" offer through Ford Finance on an RS or Mustang.

Once again, your talking bks mate. Run back to your pot noodle and max power magazines.

[Mike1990]

The only Subaru varients i'd be getting over an RS would be the CS400 or the R205 & Spec C's. Both 5dr Hot Hatches, both 4WD, and guessing both will handle similarly ? Even then I'd have doubts as the Interiors of the Subarus are pretty dire.

[Tuvra]

Mike1990 said:

The only Subaru varients i'd be getting over an RS would be the CS400 or the R205 & Spec C's. Both 5dr Hot Hatches, both 4WD, and guessing both will handle similarly ? Even then I'd have doubts as the Interiors of the Subarus are pretty dire.

The 4WD system in the RS is far, far more complex and would feel very different. For better or worse, the RS, to me at least is like no other.

Agreed on the interiors too. I have nothing against Subaru's, I basically tried telling him that he was comparing oranges and lemons (new, unmodified versus old and modified) and he's gone on some kind of crusade about how Impreza's are somehow better in every measurable way and the only reason people choose the RS is because of cheap lease deals

When I was about 16 I used to have the same naive/uneducated/unsubstantiated view that TVR's were better than Porsche's, I had my first at 18 (Cerbera), second at 19 (T350c) and haven't owned another since, mainly because when you take away the lairy looks and performance, they're actually a bit crap. Meanwhile a GT3 RS would be the first thing I'd buy following a windfall, go figure.

[aaron_2000]

Tuvra said:

Even if that was true and that was a lease deal, that would be the equivalent of £600+ a month. What your mentioning there would be a PCP, even then it's absolute bks because no dealer is giving you that. You can't even get the £500 contribution "Test Drive" offer through Ford Finance on an RS or Mustang.

Once again, your talking bks mate. Run back to your pot noodle and max power magazines.

Max Power? Wrong decade, that's the equivalent of their offer, what are those monthly payments at?

[tallpaul26]

aaron_2000 said:

Max Power? Wrong decade, that's the equivalent of their offer, what are those monthly payments at?

Can you clarify which dealership this is? I'd like to make an inquiry as nobody around here are offering anything like this support.

[HJMS123]

aaron_2000 said:

Max Power? Wrong decade, that's the equivalent of their offer, what are those monthly payments at?

7k down?! £300 a month and you'll still pay a huge balloon at the end. Hardly the cheap car that you're making it out to be?

In no way is the RS a car that can be obtained 'cheaply' especially not on a lease.