RE: Singer and Williams AE engine collaboration!

RE: Singer and Williams AE engine collaboration!

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RobDickinson

31,343 posts

255 months

Friday 11th August 2017
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Digga said:
RobDickinson said:
thegreenhell said:
You have the right name for it.
I know right!
But I'm taking a wild guess your brother doesn't fly jumbo jets and sing in Iron Maiden?
Actually I didnt realise the Rob Dickinson behind Singer was the same as the singer from Catherin wheel!

thegreenhell

15,404 posts

220 months

Friday 11th August 2017
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Apparently that was part of his inspiration for the company name, or at least reinforced the tributary association with Norbert Singer.

Carl_Manchester

12,233 posts

263 months

Friday 11th August 2017
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KarlMac said:
At what point does it stop being a Porsche and become a kit car?
It is not a Porsche.

Any more lip from you laddy and you will be burned at the stake for being a non-believer.

Digga

40,349 posts

284 months

Friday 11th August 2017
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Every day can be a school day on PH!

sisu

2,585 posts

174 months

Saturday 12th August 2017
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Love it... but let's just wait til it's in a car not a 3d rendering. That exhaust is low on a real car rather than a bare demonstration shell.
Porsche had trouble cooling their four valve heads and it is why they switched to water cooling.
Most of the singer engines, ninemeister, cosworth, ed pink and others have all used tried and tested parts. Not to take anything away from Singer but they have used other people's evolution and chosen the fittest. Is this a step to far for a company that still needs a donor 964 and a lawyer telling you its reimagined?
I hope they get a road going version as reliable as a current incarnation.

Notanotherturbo

494 posts

208 months

Saturday 12th August 2017
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Digga said:
Those air intakes - inspired.
Renault Alpine GTA used vents similar in 1985 , one to feed the air to cool the turbo and the other to feed cool air to the alternator. Everythings been done before ;0)

Debaser

5,996 posts

262 months

Saturday 12th August 2017
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Good on them for doing it!

rtz62

3,371 posts

156 months

Saturday 12th August 2017
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I'm old enough to remember when the name 'Singer' was muttered under your breath, it meant a sewing machine make.
Sadly, as soon as the names Ruf or Singer are attached to the brand Porsche it makes them immediately out of the range of 90+% of the readers on here.
No doubt as stunning a machine to look at as it is to drive, but sadly it won't ever be within my budget.
Are politicians really going to ban cars like this from being manufactured after 2040? Think we need to start protesting now, otherwise cars like this will go the way of the dinosaurs...

babatunde

736 posts

191 months

Saturday 12th August 2017
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Rocket. said:
Shame it will only be for the few but what a riposte to the supposed death of the ICE !
After your Tesla has driven you to work and back all week, Saturday morning you wake up & open your garage to this, add a few gallons of precious fuel and all is right with the world.


Ocellia

188 posts

150 months

Saturday 12th August 2017
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Citroen wanted to put a flat 6 in.......the DS car! Now THERE'S a concept! Style with power. Just 62 years late.

big_rob_sydney

3,405 posts

195 months

Saturday 12th August 2017
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It must be just me, because all I think is that the factory builds a base car reasonably well, and along comes an aftermarket firm to improve it for a ridiculous amount of money.

When EV's move to their next version of battery tech, they will not only outperform it (the Tesla arguably does so already in acceleration), but will do so effortlessly, and will have over-the-air upgrades which are simply not possible with ICE.

I remember the days when you had to spend a fortune on hardware to upgrade your car, with highly variable results, and often dubious claims of both performance and warranty support. These days, the EV solution solves all of that seamlessly.

I really have no interest in any Singer, and not much interest in a 911 either, as I believe a GTR is a better ICE car. And I'm just waiting for the next version of EV to leapfrog all of these cars in every area, as I think the range anxiety issue still hasn't been fully beaten. But once it is, I don't see a future for an ICE in my life at all.

I just want to see Lexus do an EV to their usual quality standard.

thegreenhell

15,404 posts

220 months

Saturday 12th August 2017
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big_rob_sydney said:
It must be just me...

I really have no interest in any Singer...

I just want to see Lexus do an EV to their usual quality standard.
I think I agree; it is just you. Enjoy your electric appliance.

DP33

183 posts

127 months

Saturday 12th August 2017
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please just paint it something other than beige

egomeister

6,703 posts

264 months

Sunday 13th August 2017
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big_rob_sydney said:
I remember the days when you had to spend a fortune on hardware to upgrade your car, with highly variable results, and often dubious claims of both performance and warranty support. These days, the EV solution solves all of that seamlessly.
I don't think so, EV's will still be fundamentally limited by their physical components. You might be able to gain some efficiencies through tweaking software in terms of battery management and so on, but battery capacity will be defined by the chemistry, power transmission by the electronics hardware and motors. I'd think of over the air updates like getting a remap rather than any more significant upgrade

bakerstreet

4,766 posts

166 months

Sunday 13th August 2017
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Seen a few singers in the flesh at goodwood and they were truly amazing. A car that I would genuily love to own, but let's face it's lottery win territory!

In fact I don't get that excited about many new cars these days, but the Singer 911s are really something that I really appreciate.

big_rob_sydney

3,405 posts

195 months

Sunday 13th August 2017
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egomeister said:
big_rob_sydney said:
I remember the days when you had to spend a fortune on hardware to upgrade your car, with highly variable results, and often dubious claims of both performance and warranty support. These days, the EV solution solves all of that seamlessly.
I don't think so, EV's will still be fundamentally limited by their physical components. You might be able to gain some efficiencies through tweaking software in terms of battery management and so on, but battery capacity will be defined by the chemistry, power transmission by the electronics hardware and motors. I'd think of over the air updates like getting a remap rather than any more significant upgrade
Don't get me wrong. I'm not talking about doubling its power through a software tweak. But a modest power increase is certainly achievable, and has been done already over the air with Tesla.

I don't believe that's been done yet with ICE cars?

big_rob_sydney

3,405 posts

195 months

Sunday 13th August 2017
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thegreenhell said:
big_rob_sydney said:
It must be just me...

I really have no interest in any Singer...

I just want to see Lexus do an EV to their usual quality standard.
I think I agree; it is just you. Enjoy your electric appliance.
Thanks.

Not sure if you heard, but EV's have been for sale for awhile now, and quite a few people are buying them. You may want to check out Tesla, because their car is capable of immense performance, putting in 10.x second quarter miles.

If I can just ask, what is there about that kind of performance that you seem to turn your nose up at? These cars are also fuel efficient, and likely to be more reliable due to having far fewer parts, and certainly less moving parts in the engine area. I get it that a lot of people like the sound of an ICE, but even T-Rex's died out eventually.

egomeister

6,703 posts

264 months

Sunday 13th August 2017
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big_rob_sydney said:
egomeister said:
big_rob_sydney said:
I remember the days when you had to spend a fortune on hardware to upgrade your car, with highly variable results, and often dubious claims of both performance and warranty support. These days, the EV solution solves all of that seamlessly.
I don't think so, EV's will still be fundamentally limited by their physical components. You might be able to gain some efficiencies through tweaking software in terms of battery management and so on, but battery capacity will be defined by the chemistry, power transmission by the electronics hardware and motors. I'd think of over the air updates like getting a remap rather than any more significant upgrade
Don't get me wrong. I'm not talking about doubling its power through a software tweak. But a modest power increase is certainly achievable, and has been done already over the air with Tesla.

I don't believe that's been done yet with ICE cars?
True, I've not heard of it but there is nothing fundamentally stopping a remap being delivered over the air for an ICE car except that the systems haven't been designed to allow it. That's not a limitation of ICE, or advantage of EV - just a function of how the car has been specified and designed. There's a lot of merit to keeping that door open on an EV given it's immature technology and there is more chance of finding improvements / safety updates that could be deployed/

Streetrod

6,468 posts

207 months

Sunday 13th August 2017
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big_rob_sydney said:
thegreenhell said:
big_rob_sydney said:
It must be just me...

I really have no interest in any Singer...

I just want to see Lexus do an EV to their usual quality standard.
I think I agree; it is just you. Enjoy your electric appliance.
Thanks.

Not sure if you heard, but EV's have been for sale for awhile now, and quite a few people are buying them. You may want to check out Tesla, because their car is capable of immense performance, putting in 10.x second quarter miles.

If I can just ask, what is there about that kind of performance that you seem to turn your nose up at? These cars are also fuel efficient, and likely to be more reliable due to having far fewer parts, and certainly less moving parts in the engine area. I get it that a lot of people like the sound of an ICE, but even T-Rex's died out eventually.
I am afraid in your electric future sites like these are unlikely to exist. Yes electric cars can be very fast but what you must realise is that we as consumers are sleep walking into an autonomous future where your ability as an owner driver will slowly but surely be eroded to the point where you won’t even have a steering wheel in your car.

Cars will move like trains, and you won’t be given the option to have fun because for the sake of efficiency every car will have to act the same.

So I suggest you wallow in the ICE while you can as the powers that be will not tolerate the likes of Singer in the future.

This may sound a little depressing but on a positive note I think we have at least 2 -3 decades left before such a future becomes a reality

Chris Stott

13,392 posts

198 months

Sunday 13th August 2017
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BIL has a P90D Tesla, and I really like it, but there no place for comparisons with a Singer... One's an efficient, and fast in a straight line, 5 seat family car. The other is automotive porn, born out of an obsession to create a pure drivers car.

Chalk and cheese.