RE: Singer and Williams AE engine collaboration!
Discussion
Dodgey_Rog said:
Alas, its not my commission, more that I sold my car to a chap that's having the commission done. I've seen the spec, it looks awesome, I was simply blown away when he told me, after the money was in the bank and the car was waiting to be collected. We've agreed on a few deal bonuses, one of which, I get to drive it next year and go to the unveiling. I can't share anything of his commission until he agrees, but I get to the see the car take shape and will the pictures throughout the project. I did an exchange for a load of NY bagels for a signed Singer book, hopefully that can happen.
He gave me the scoop on this new car being unveiled at Pebble, I suspect this will be the most expensive Singer produced by the sounds of it. The engine alone is well into the 6 figures.
I understand. But share whatever you can. I've imagined what the process would be like so many times. He gave me the scoop on this new car being unveiled at Pebble, I suspect this will be the most expensive Singer produced by the sounds of it. The engine alone is well into the 6 figures.
DonkeyApple said:
Digga said:
In my worst case extrapolation of the punishment of the motorist, this is pretty much how I see it.
Sadly you only need to see the huge efforts invested by extremists to have classic cars banned from London to understand just how all too easy it will be to have ICE forcibly banned from the public roads. And it's not as if the generation behind us is renowned for its political moderation or tolerance of others who do not share their 'beliefs'. I'd love to see a country where all utility transports were EVs and that old ICE cars were still heard and used as recreational devices. But I doubt that will ever come to pass.
The car replaced the horse by natural market forces. Not State intervention and legislation. Just natural economics made the car superior and the default choice for those who could afford it. There was no Govt sanctioned and financed anti horse agenda or religion. Hence why people are still free to basically use horses as transport or recreation. ICE isn't being replaced by EV by natural market forces. It's being driven and forced by politics and new religions and when that happens the babies almost always get thrown out with the bath water. Intolerances and hatreds are generated and the end result is one of oppression and the loss of freedoms.
By far the greatest thing that could happen today to save the ICE would be for new battery tech to appear that are dirt cheap and gives EV's a massive range. That way everyone will switch to EV's based on them being cheaper and the enforcing legislation and politicos would cease and the remaining ICE's would be left as horses were, for fun and pleasure for a few people.
Added to this, the massive IT companies that run the system actually cost MORE than what the system generates, meaning that there is a revenue shortfall, having to be made up by taxpayers, in order to feed the IT companies.
You couldn't make it up, surely?
These things tend to grow and scope creep when we aren't looking. First London, next...? I don't know about politics / new religion, only that I get the s
ts at the congestion seemingly all around me. I don't see the point in any car, for the very reasons you mentioned.And while there's an EV slant to this (governments proposed solutions), frankly, even EV cars are a waste of space. If you don't want an EV, there's a simple solution. Don't buy one.
Luckily, Brexit has shown that London has little in common with England. 
. Various tits tried to bring congestion charging to other UK cities and have long since changed their careers.
Having lived there all my life I very much doubt I've ever driven anywhere in London at any time and been remotely close to averaging 9 mph. 4 mpg has been a regular figure but never an mph average close to 9 in normal conditions. If someone is finding they are driving at 9mph then they are a bit thick because anyone else would be using the tube, bus or walking and not fannying about with a car.
That figure is a bit of propaganda that makes use of the convoluted nature of the medieval street plan which means you have to drive several miles to get somewhere a crow could reach in one.
. Various tits tried to bring congestion charging to other UK cities and have long since changed their careers. Having lived there all my life I very much doubt I've ever driven anywhere in London at any time and been remotely close to averaging 9 mph. 4 mpg has been a regular figure but never an mph average close to 9 in normal conditions. If someone is finding they are driving at 9mph then they are a bit thick because anyone else would be using the tube, bus or walking and not fannying about with a car.
That figure is a bit of propaganda that makes use of the convoluted nature of the medieval street plan which means you have to drive several miles to get somewhere a crow could reach in one.
YES it is full of deivery cars, people following satnavs, uber drivers in Prius's and they are all dithering. Yes it is achingly slow, I take a boris bike most of the time.
But when you live in London the City itself is beautifully quiet on a weekend...the mornings are broken only by the sound of me giving the 3.2 an Italian tune up through Old Street on my way to get a coffee.
But when you live in London the City itself is beautifully quiet on a weekend...the mornings are broken only by the sound of me giving the 3.2 an Italian tune up through Old Street on my way to get a coffee.
big_rob_sydney said:
It must be just me, because all I think is that the factory builds a base car reasonably well, and along comes an aftermarket firm to improve it for a ridiculous amount of money.
When EV's move to their next version of battery tech, they will not only outperform it (the Tesla arguably does so already in acceleration), but will do so effortlessly, and will have over-the-air upgrades which are simply not possible with ICE.
I remember the days when you had to spend a fortune on hardware to upgrade your car, with highly variable results, and often dubious claims of both performance and warranty support. These days, the EV solution solves all of that seamlessly.
I really have no interest in any Singer, and not much interest in a 911 either, as I believe a GTR is a better ICE car. And I'm just waiting for the next version of EV to leapfrog all of these cars in every area, as I think the range anxiety issue still hasn't been fully beaten. But once it is, I don't see a future for an ICE in my life at all.
I just want to see Lexus do an EV to their usual quality standard.
I think you're missing the point. It's not about, for me anyway, all out performance. If you gave me the option of an EV that out performs and handles, and that is more reliable and economical in every way, than a modern ICE, let alone an older classic ICE, I'd pick the older car every time. My love of cars isn't whether I'm the fastest on the road, but rather the emotive, visceral experience you get with a fuel burning engine, particularly the ones that by modern standards are classed as 'compromised'.When EV's move to their next version of battery tech, they will not only outperform it (the Tesla arguably does so already in acceleration), but will do so effortlessly, and will have over-the-air upgrades which are simply not possible with ICE.
I remember the days when you had to spend a fortune on hardware to upgrade your car, with highly variable results, and often dubious claims of both performance and warranty support. These days, the EV solution solves all of that seamlessly.
I really have no interest in any Singer, and not much interest in a 911 either, as I believe a GTR is a better ICE car. And I'm just waiting for the next version of EV to leapfrog all of these cars in every area, as I think the range anxiety issue still hasn't been fully beaten. But once it is, I don't see a future for an ICE in my life at all.
I just want to see Lexus do an EV to their usual quality standard.
I love a lumpy idling V8, that barks into life with the sound of thunder. I love an old fashioned laggy turbo engine, which once on boost, makes your knuckles turn white as you hang on for dear life. I love engines that are gutless low down, but build the revs and hit that sweet spot, listening to it sing as it revs all the way up to and past 7k,8k, 9k RPM, changing gear to keep it on the boil, now that's one of the best feelings ever.
Quite frankly, EVs will never, ever have these characteristics. I've no doubt that I'll end up having an EV for a daily drive, eventually, but they'll never have a place in my heart.
Edited by Cable on Tuesday 15th August 09:23
Cable said:
big_rob_sydney said:
It must be just me, because all I think is that the factory builds a base car reasonably well, and along comes an aftermarket firm to improve it for a ridiculous amount of money.
When EV's move to their next version of battery tech, they will not only outperform it (the Tesla arguably does so already in acceleration), but will do so effortlessly, and will have over-the-air upgrades which are simply not possible with ICE.
I remember the days when you had to spend a fortune on hardware to upgrade your car, with highly variable results, and often dubious claims of both performance and warranty support. These days, the EV solution solves all of that seamlessly.
I really have no interest in any Singer, and not much interest in a 911 either, as I believe a GTR is a better ICE car. And I'm just waiting for the next version of EV to leapfrog all of these cars in every area, as I think the range anxiety issue still hasn't been fully beaten. But once it is, I don't see a future for an ICE in my life at all.
I just want to see Lexus do an EV to their usual quality standard.
I think you're missing the point. It's not about, for me anyway, all out performance. If you gave me the option of an EV that out performs and handles, and that is more reliable and economical in every way, than a modern ICE, let alone an older classic ICE, I'd pick the older car every time. My love of cars isn't whether I'm the fastest on the road, but rather the emotive, visceral experience you get with a fuel burning engine, particularly the ones that by modern standards are classed as 'compromised'.When EV's move to their next version of battery tech, they will not only outperform it (the Tesla arguably does so already in acceleration), but will do so effortlessly, and will have over-the-air upgrades which are simply not possible with ICE.
I remember the days when you had to spend a fortune on hardware to upgrade your car, with highly variable results, and often dubious claims of both performance and warranty support. These days, the EV solution solves all of that seamlessly.
I really have no interest in any Singer, and not much interest in a 911 either, as I believe a GTR is a better ICE car. And I'm just waiting for the next version of EV to leapfrog all of these cars in every area, as I think the range anxiety issue still hasn't been fully beaten. But once it is, I don't see a future for an ICE in my life at all.
I just want to see Lexus do an EV to their usual quality standard.
I love a lumpy idling V8, that barks into life with the sound of thunder. I love an old fashioned laggy turbo engine, which once on boost, makes your knuckles turn white as you hang on for dear life. I love engines that are gutless low down, but build the revs and hit that sweet spot, revving all the way up to and past 7k,8k, 9k RPM, changing gear to keep it on the boil, now that's one of the best feelings ever.
Quite frankly, EVs will never, ever have these characteristics. I've no doubt that I'll end up having an EV for a daily drive, eventually, but they'll never have a place in my heart.
I mentioned this before; we had the days of the horse and cart, and we moved on. We still celebrate the equine world, but, clearly, the world has moved on. In exactly the way you opine, there have been, and still are, many who desire the old days and the old ways.
What say you to those who would wish to congest our roads with horses in this modern world? Imagine teams of horse drawn carriages trundling down the m25 (or wherever) when you'd like to catch your flight somewhere.
Progress.
And the EV isn't the answer, but rather an intermediate step along the way.
But to try and bring it back to your own point, by all means, enjoy whatever you'd like to enjoy. You probably have until 2040, or whatever date the next car-hating government has in mind. One thing I would say though, is that as autonomous tech marches steadily on, the dates may be rolled forwards. The PC brigade will no doubt tell us that deaths from road traffic accidents outweigh your, my, and collectively our, wishes to enjoy the sound of a dinosaurs ICE, in favour of not seeing uncle Bill, auntie Ester, or the kids in the hospital or morgue.
Talk about ending on a bright note...
I really think you're in the wrong place for having that discussion. So a GTR is a'better' car than a 911 because of 'progress'. An EV is better than a GTR because of progress. Something yet to be invented is better than an EV because of progress. So what? This isn't a discussion about progress or whatever is the latest technowk. This is a discussion about a beautiful old 911 with (mostly) people who love old 911s.
A lot of people still like horses. A lot pf people still like steam engines. A lot of people still like vintage cars. A lot of people still like these inferior old dinosaurs that are 911s, so please kindly go away and find a GTR discussion somewhere to wade in and tell them how an EV is a better car than theirs.
k. This is a discussion about a beautiful old 911 with (mostly) people who love old 911s.A lot of people still like horses. A lot pf people still like steam engines. A lot of people still like vintage cars. A lot of people still like these inferior old dinosaurs that are 911s, so please kindly go away and find a GTR discussion somewhere to wade in and tell them how an EV is a better car than theirs.
big_rob_sydney said:
Its not even about an ICE or an EV. Its about progress.
I mentioned this before; we had the days of the horse and cart, and we moved on. We still celebrate the equine world, but, clearly, the world has moved on. In exactly the way you opine, there have been, and still are, many who desire the old days and the old ways.
What say you to those who would wish to congest our roads with horses in this modern world? Imagine teams of horse drawn carriages trundling down the m25 (or wherever) when you'd like to catch your flight somewhere.
Progress.
And the EV isn't the answer, but rather an intermediate step along the way.
But to try and bring it back to your own point, by all means, enjoy whatever you'd like to enjoy. You probably have until 2040, or whatever date the next car-hating government has in mind. One thing I would say though, is that as autonomous tech marches steadily on, the dates may be rolled forwards. The PC brigade will no doubt tell us that deaths from road traffic accidents outweigh your, my, and collectively our, wishes to enjoy the sound of a dinosaurs ICE, in favour of not seeing uncle Bill, auntie Ester, or the kids in the hospital or morgue.
Talk about ending on a bright note...
Of course, much like the demise of steam rail. Who doesn't love a dirty, smelly, noisy steam train? But for those very same reasons, no longer a practical everyday form of transport. Thankfully they've not been banned all together and we still get to see them on occasion.I mentioned this before; we had the days of the horse and cart, and we moved on. We still celebrate the equine world, but, clearly, the world has moved on. In exactly the way you opine, there have been, and still are, many who desire the old days and the old ways.
What say you to those who would wish to congest our roads with horses in this modern world? Imagine teams of horse drawn carriages trundling down the m25 (or wherever) when you'd like to catch your flight somewhere.
Progress.
And the EV isn't the answer, but rather an intermediate step along the way.
But to try and bring it back to your own point, by all means, enjoy whatever you'd like to enjoy. You probably have until 2040, or whatever date the next car-hating government has in mind. One thing I would say though, is that as autonomous tech marches steadily on, the dates may be rolled forwards. The PC brigade will no doubt tell us that deaths from road traffic accidents outweigh your, my, and collectively our, wishes to enjoy the sound of a dinosaurs ICE, in favour of not seeing uncle Bill, auntie Ester, or the kids in the hospital or morgue.
Talk about ending on a bright note...
We're still a few years away from 2040, so lets enjoy engines like this whilst we can, and keep our fingers crossed that the future wont be as bleak as you predict. I mean even in our current nanny state, I amazed we can still drive pre 1960 vehicles that don't require any form of MOT.
big rob sydney. You've clearly been watching too much back to the future and fantasizing about flying skateboards being the optimum transport mode of the future.
As others have said, can you (and all other EV fan bois) kindly take that kind of mystic meg chat elsewhere on the forum please. I think there is a specific forum for EV discussion, this isn't it.
This thread is celebrating the creation of one of the finest internal combustion engines going into production in arguably, one of the finest looking sports cars out there. It's not about a bloody battery pack.
As others have said, can you (and all other EV fan bois) kindly take that kind of mystic meg chat elsewhere on the forum please. I think there is a specific forum for EV discussion, this isn't it.
This thread is celebrating the creation of one of the finest internal combustion engines going into production in arguably, one of the finest looking sports cars out there. It's not about a bloody battery pack.
Shall we go back on topic? Just got back from a week of fun driving from South of France to Dolomites...can't even start to imagine how good the new hyper Singer will be!!
Going up a closed section of the Giau Pass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te9WAGX8Xew
Chasing the 50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJZR7O1sZUY
Few pictures from the trip!
Going up a closed section of the Giau Pass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te9WAGX8Xew
Chasing the 50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJZR7O1sZUY
Few pictures from the trip!
thegreenhell said:
Wow, thread rescued!
Indeed. In that last photo, if the 911 had been a modern one then it would have been out of place. Yet, here it steals the show. That's why these cars are so revered. The Singer brand and others like it are putting the 'Porsche' back into Porsches, whereas the new Porsche company has become synonymous with VAG diesels, greasy ex-council punters and mid level accountancy. 
Maxige said:
Shall we go back on topic? Just got back from a week of fun driving from South of France to Dolomites...can't even start to imagine how good the new hyper Singer will be!!
Going up a closed section of the Giau Pass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te9WAGX8Xew
Chasing the 50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJZR7O1sZUY
Few pictures from the trip!
Awesome post... so refreshing to see cars like that being driven hard and not parked up/crawling round a city centre with a bunch of kids taking photos of them.Going up a closed section of the Giau Pass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te9WAGX8Xew
Chasing the 50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJZR7O1sZUY
Few pictures from the trip!
I guess which one of the 3 you prefer is just down to personal taste. Never been a fan of modern Ferraris myself - too much 'LOOK AT ME!!!' for my taste (though some of the 50's/60's stuff is just wonderful)... 911's are just so much more discrete, even when they are a £700k Singer.
Maxige said:
PhantomPH said:
As much as I love the Singer, of the three cars in the last photo above the Singer is the last one I would choose. That Aperta looks phenomenal and the F50...well...it's an F50!!
Well I guess you are not alone!!! I'd take the other two over the Singer as well!! 
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