RE: New TVR - the update
Discussion
Some Gump said:
I stopped reading at his pathetic stab at Porsche.
911. Dying brand.
Right oh, whatever you say chief.
le mans 2018? Looking forward to it. I'll bring a trolley jack and an extinguisher, join in the fun.
Judging by your post, you stopped actually taking anything in some time before you stopped reading...911. Dying brand.
Right oh, whatever you say chief.
le mans 2018? Looking forward to it. I'll bring a trolley jack and an extinguisher, join in the fun.
Krikkit said:
Nothing wrong with a 911 as an everyday prospect, but the equipment you don't get for a 78k car is laughable!
Cruise control? Xenon lights? Rain sensing wipers? Parking sensors? Nope. A 10 grand Fiesta has all of them!
Never understood the need for rain sensing wipers and/or parking sensors and if TVR stick to their roots the new car won't have eitherCruise control? Xenon lights? Rain sensing wipers? Parking sensors? Nope. A 10 grand Fiesta has all of them!
oilit said:
Let's just hope the whole story doesn't end up like one of these:
Good point. Jensen got it so horribly, horrible wrong.And AC have conspicuously failed to achieve any sales of their rather fine "AC 378GT".
In 2017 the sportscar business is very tough, dominated at every price point by excellent cars from global manufacturers.
janesmith1950 said:
SidewaysSi said:
In what way? I will be amazed if it beats a GT3 or Exige as a driver's car.
Or a plain C2 as an all rounder.
Not 'better', 'different'. Or a plain C2 as an all rounder.
TVR will do well to survive, let alone get near the success of the 911. 2 fingers indeed.
SidewaysSi said:
So 2 fingers at the 911 because it is different? Right.
TVR will do well to survive, let alone get near the success of the 911. 2 fingers indeed.
No-one is going to suggest they're aiming at 911 numbers, or even within an order of magnitude.TVR will do well to survive, let alone get near the success of the 911. 2 fingers indeed.
If they've got it right it'll be a semi-bespoke car that will have sufficient performance to make direct comparison boring and let people concentrate on its other qualities. It should be a blast to drive, have more than a little bit of race engineering kudos and be striking in the flesh. That should be enough to convince a few people that it's worth a punt.
In a way they're at the scale where they should be able to survive on remarkably small sales. It's the companies that sit in the middle ground between bespoke and mass production (like Lotus) that face the biggest challenges. Against that, the 911 is unassailable, but really, who cares?
Cold said:
"No Driver Aids" = Industry speak for: "We don't have much money".
Or they want to make a car that you actually drive...rather than be a passenger with all the silly nanny aids. Your right foot is all you need, and not multiple electronic settings for steering/gearbox/traction/stability control/dampers etc, I appreciate that the modern way is to baby the driver though.
'Should be a hybrid'
'No driver aids/not spending money'
Completely missing the point. This isn't meant to be some massive market penetrator, or even particularly innovative. It's meant to be a pure and simple drivers car, which should be considered refreshing in the current market of heavy, overcomplicated and forgiving rolling computers.
And as far as I'm aware there will be driver aids for those who choose to use them.
'No driver aids/not spending money'
Completely missing the point. This isn't meant to be some massive market penetrator, or even particularly innovative. It's meant to be a pure and simple drivers car, which should be considered refreshing in the current market of heavy, overcomplicated and forgiving rolling computers.
And as far as I'm aware there will be driver aids for those who choose to use them.
cerb4.5lee said:
Cold said:
"No Driver Aids" = Industry speak for: "We don't have much money".
Or they want to make a car that you actually drive...rather than be a passenger with all the silly nanny aids. Your right foot is all you need, and not multiple electronic settings for steering/gearbox/traction/stability control/dampers etc, I appreciate that the modern way is to baby the driver though.
TVR don't seem to have the budget or expertise to develop such a system otherwise they would and to claim it's because of some macho hairy chested throwback to real men of yesteryear is a daft suggestion.
danp said:
Article says:
"TVR customers will be able to choose both the chassis and body materials for their cars. "They choose the fundamental architecture materials which is either iStream Carbon [multi-tubular frame with steel components and carbon-fibre bonded panels] or iStream 3 [which replaces the steel tubes with aluminium sections], then they also have the choice of body materials"
That doesn't sound right to me.
I thought iStream was steel tubed frame with fibreglass panels between them, iStream carbon the same tubes but with carbon fibre panels.
As per: http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/tokyo-auto-s...
I'm with you there since I think that the terminology used is mis-leading. http://www.gordonmurraydesign.com/news-articles/go... When we say carbon chassis we think of a chassis like the 4C but in TVR's case it's a steel spaceframe with stiffening/bracing by fibreglass/carboard honeycomb sandwich panels with the option to replace the glass matting with carbon matting and steel tubes with aluminium sections. That's four chassis options on one car! (None of which is close to a pure carbon chassis.)"TVR customers will be able to choose both the chassis and body materials for their cars. "They choose the fundamental architecture materials which is either iStream Carbon [multi-tubular frame with steel components and carbon-fibre bonded panels] or iStream 3 [which replaces the steel tubes with aluminium sections], then they also have the choice of body materials"
That doesn't sound right to me.
I thought iStream was steel tubed frame with fibreglass panels between them, iStream carbon the same tubes but with carbon fibre panels.
As per: http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/tokyo-auto-s...
J4CKO said:
Krikkit said:
Considering a completely unoptioned 911 C2 is 78k, 90k doesn't sound ridiculous for this.
Can't wait to see it, the world is a better place for TVR coming back.
Ditto, whilst the 911 is a lovely thing, I am sure there are plenty who want something different, "Unoptioned 911 C2" doesnt sound that appealing even if it is actually great, it sounds a bit head, rather than heart choice and the TVR sounds more heart.Can't wait to see it, the world is a better place for TVR coming back.
I think thing sound good, sounds like they are really sticking to the old recipe, just "remastering" it.
My wife and I have have had a 450 and a 500 Chim.
My wife just bought a 991.2 Carrera manual with some sensible options, and with a discount it was circa £80k.
This it the epitome of a sports car you can use every day. 20k/2 year service intervals. Fast. sounds great. Works. Reliable. I struggle with £90k for an untested, unknown, no network, but we shall see.
I wish them all the best.
Edited by edo on Saturday 12th August 12:00
Wish them all the best.
I'm their target market who doesn't want the run of the mill sports car. Just sold an Evora 400 after 12 months and 5k miles and loved the car. Now run a V6 Exige.
Once I'm more comfortable TVR are here for good, I'm sure I'll have one of their cars down the line.
Exciting times ahead
I'm their target market who doesn't want the run of the mill sports car. Just sold an Evora 400 after 12 months and 5k miles and loved the car. Now run a V6 Exige.
Once I'm more comfortable TVR are here for good, I'm sure I'll have one of their cars down the line.
Exciting times ahead
85Carrera said:
Krikkit said:
Nothing wrong with a 911 as an everyday prospect, but the equipment you don't get for a 78k car is laughable!
Cruise control? Xenon lights? Rain sensing wipers? Parking sensors? Nope. A 10 grand Fiesta has all of them!
Never understood the need for rain sensing wipers and/or parking sensors and if TVR stick to their roots the new car won't have eitherCruise control? Xenon lights? Rain sensing wipers? Parking sensors? Nope. A 10 grand Fiesta has all of them!
Cold said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Cold said:
"No Driver Aids" = Industry speak for: "We don't have much money".
Or they want to make a car that you actually drive...rather than be a passenger with all the silly nanny aids. Your right foot is all you need, and not multiple electronic settings for steering/gearbox/traction/stability control/dampers etc, I appreciate that the modern way is to baby the driver though.
TVR don't seem to have the budget or expertise to develop such a system otherwise they would and to claim it's because of some macho hairy chested throwback to real men of yesteryear is a daft suggestion.
ChilliWhizz said:
Some proper b
ks getting spouted now 
The detractors always will. Their opinion is the most important, they will be right. Easy to slag off something at the moment when details haven't been announced. Some people need to stop making sks getting spouted now t up to suit their biased opinion and wait until the facts come out. Then we can have a proper discussion."TVR don't seem to have the budget or expertise..." which is why they've bought in production based units, such as the engine and other parts. Why reinvent the wheel when there are so many solutions available.
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