RE: New TVR - the update
Discussion
blade7 said:
He could just as easily have put the name on a vacuum cleaner...
or a boat:https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
or a wind turbine:
https://www.carkeys.co.uk/news/the-turbulent-histo...
The Surveyor said:
Or set up a completely new car company without spending the money on the 'TVR' brand name, and without buying the negative 'unreliability' perception that goes with the marque!
As TA14 says, for better or worse this isn't the old TVR, it's a new TVR.
Will they be built in India or China....As TA14 says, for better or worse this isn't the old TVR, it's a new TVR.
DonkeyApple said:
mikebrownhill said:
DonkeyApple said:
True but hopefully you don't have to be over 75 to own one or be married to a lady that resembles a deflated party balloon? 
Ah, yes that old stereotype; personally I have always found the pulling power of a Morgan to be pretty good and all the other owners that I know are younger than me (and I'm not 75, yet, either) but that one can go on the list as well thank you - Fanny Magnet - keeping this on topic I'm sure the new TVR will excel in this area too.
After Googling such things to check out the facts however, it seems that the majority of all new car buyers in the UK (as opposed to leasers) are in fact the Baby Boomers (born between 1946 and 1964) by a quite significant margin it seems, and as I understand that most Morgans are purchased new outright, it could be logical to assume that the main age demographic for new Morgan ownership is somewhere between 53 and 71, which is actually where I fit; thus more likely making myself the norm and not an anomaly. Not exact science I admit but with some substance at least.
Interestingly though and getting back on topic, this new TVR is exactly that, only available new, and we could maybe therefore assume that the majority of buyers for a few years will also be Baby Boomers, thus adding another comparative indicator to the list - age demographic - in the interests of a bit of accuracy, maybe some readers who are potential new TVR owners might indicate if they are Baby Boomers or not to validate this.
LordGrover said:
Pricing seems about what it was. My 1992 Griffith was c. £28,000 new.
If I compare my salary then and use the same multiplier today it works out pretty close.
+1If I compare my salary then and use the same multiplier today it works out pretty close.
my 1998 Griff 500 was £38000 and that was without, full leather, hydratrak and aircon, which would pushed the price over £40k
TA14 said:
Good point. Many on here say a TVR is a front engine crate V8 with a seventy year history but in reality the V8 cars were introduced by PRW (ignoring the handful of sixties cars) barely twenty years time span with V6 cars over a longer time and Trevor was amazed and disappointed that they never produced a mid-engine car.
ahem.. how can you "ignore" V8 Griffith 200/400 and V8 Tuscan (in 60s and 70s) not least because of the names being reused for the 90s Griffith..Edited by BJWoods on Tuesday 29th August 15:10
swisstoni said:
Go and tell it to Rolls Royce, Bentley, Bugatti, etc.
What have these current entities got in common with Mr Rolls and Mr Royce and the other people who started those companies? Nothing except an ethos about how cars should be.
Given staff turn over in companies it's unlikely there's anyone left at Lotus who had anything to do with even the original Elise let alone anything before that. Colin Chapman is just a bloke in photos on the wall who's thoughts about how a car should be still inform their designs.
While Morgan, Ferrari and Porsche still have the real DNA in the boardroom (I think), once everyone around the table gets the idea, the bloodline is just nice to have.
Indeed. And I'm not sure how many people at the Woking based and largely Bahranian financed company McLaren Automotive ever worked with Bruce.What have these current entities got in common with Mr Rolls and Mr Royce and the other people who started those companies? Nothing except an ethos about how cars should be.
Given staff turn over in companies it's unlikely there's anyone left at Lotus who had anything to do with even the original Elise let alone anything before that. Colin Chapman is just a bloke in photos on the wall who's thoughts about how a car should be still inform their designs.
While Morgan, Ferrari and Porsche still have the real DNA in the boardroom (I think), once everyone around the table gets the idea, the bloodline is just nice to have.
Edited by suffolk009 on Tuesday 29th August 16:36
The big difference is that all the above have a direct lineage to the originator.
The new TVR is the same as the new Triumph, bought as a name only but with the same ethos as the original company.
All the smoke and mirrors stops soon anyway, lets see what appears.
If it takes this long to produce one show car then I think the depositors will be waiting some time yet before they have a car to use.
The new TVR is the same as the new Triumph, bought as a name only but with the same ethos as the original company.
All the smoke and mirrors stops soon anyway, lets see what appears.
If it takes this long to produce one show car then I think the depositors will be waiting some time yet before they have a car to use.
PAUL500 said:
If it takes this long to produce one show car then I think the depositors will be waiting some time yet before they have a car to use.
In fairness, I think they started teasing the car very early in the process. It takes 3-5 years to get a concept to fruition. Maybe building that early deposit book was important for reassuring investors that there would be a market for the car? The downside being that by the time the actual car is ready, we might feel a bit jaded or over-familiar with the idea of it. Impatience becomes resignation.
Timing the unveiling of the show-car is also a balance. You could be too early or too late.
I'm not jaded or resigned - I'm excited. And I'm not having one. Just excited.
Funk said:
Really looking forward to seeing this being revealed... If the proportions are correct in this image - 400 bhp per tonne, it is going to be wild!Good luck to the TVR crew in making this a success..
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I really like it and we haven't seen the back end which is supposed to be very striking.
It's a good shape, not too lairy so as to attract the most number of consumers. I'm sure lairier ones will follow and of course, the convention with TVRs is to add lairy via the spray gun.
Those expecting the theatre of an equivalent to how a Sag compared to the market when it first appeared were always going to be disappointed. Given how many mass produced cars are so heavily styled these days you'd have to ram something through every corner of Halfords and then stick a pair of enormous rubber tits on the front to achieve a similar impact these days.
I still think that £100k for a GM designed car with a Cossie engine is ridiculously cheap in today's crazy world.
It's a good shape, not too lairy so as to attract the most number of consumers. I'm sure lairier ones will follow and of course, the convention with TVRs is to add lairy via the spray gun.
Those expecting the theatre of an equivalent to how a Sag compared to the market when it first appeared were always going to be disappointed. Given how many mass produced cars are so heavily styled these days you'd have to ram something through every corner of Halfords and then stick a pair of enormous rubber tits on the front to achieve a similar impact these days.
I still think that £100k for a GM designed car with a Cossie engine is ridiculously cheap in today's crazy world.
A small, 400hp per tonne, 5.0 Cosworth engined, manual british sports car that's "very, very loud". What's there not to love?
Yes £90k is a lot of money, and TVR should be the "everyman superman" but who cares, lets hope they make a success of the relaunch and can create lower cost models in the future!
Yes £90k is a lot of money, and TVR should be the "everyman superman" but who cares, lets hope they make a success of the relaunch and can create lower cost models in the future!
Funk said:
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