RE: Shed(s) of the Week: Alfa 166/BMW 5 Series

RE: Shed(s) of the Week: Alfa 166/BMW 5 Series

Friday 18th August 2017

Shed(s) of the Week: Alfa 166/BMW 5 Series

Two 90s execs duke it out for Shed supremacy - where would your money be going?



Two Sheds in one this week, and a decision for you lot to make: who makes the best executive barges, the Germans or (cough) the Italians?


Just the question seems slightly ludicrous. Of course, you say, it must be the Germans. This E39 5 Series is an archetypal example of their engineering supremacy, you might go on to say. This 520 petrol we've found may not have the grunt of its higher-numbered siblings, but every one of its 148 horses is a proper thoroughbred guaranteed to arrive at any race without a trace of temperament or frothing at the mouth.

But hold on there one cotton-picking minute, as a fan of the cartoon character Foghorn Leghorn might say. Alfa Romeo has made one, and arguably two, excellent execs in recent times.

Few would dispute the wonder of the 164, now moving nicely into 'sought-after' territory in 3.0 V6 guise. Its successor, the still under-appreciated 166, sits in the 164's shadow, and rightly so if you're talking about four-cylinder cars. But the 166 had better suspension than the 164, and you could get one with the glorious big six 3.0 in situ - like this example here.


Let's take a closer squint at both of these cars from an unjaundiced British perspective. First, the BMW. Once upon a time, cars that had been 'owned by a Doctor' (with a capital D to denote their enhanced social importance) were seen as good cars to buy. The same deference that oikish motor dealers extended to medical men was fully understood by the general hoi-polloi, who also saw doctors as posh, refined and too sophisticated to be mean to a car.

Nowadays, with the NHS in tatters and doctors increasingly seen as gaunt-eyed, sleep-deprived sufferers of high-level stress and possibly pretty poor drivers, the value of the 'owned by a Doctor' attribution is less clear. Especially when you remember that an old-fashioned doctor's round (do they still even do them?) would typically have been made up of car-killingly short journeys.


Still, this BMW has not one but two 'Doctors' scrawled, presumably illegibly, on its ownership record. As you would hope and expect to see from a dealer-advertised Five, it 'drives superb'. It features the classic small alloys, which is a good thing for an SE-spec car in regards to the ride quality, plus the good old on-board computer. Much better than those outboard computers that never worked very well in the rain.

Not sure why, but Vavona seems like the right wood trim for a Doctor-owned E39, or a gynaecologist-owned one anyway. Like all German Wood®, it looks like a cross between walnut, bird's eye maple and a caravan work surface, but even so most E39 owners seem to like it. They'd probably prefer German LeatherTM to the cloth you see here, but cloth does bring the bonus of extra grip to your back end, particularly when you're wearing corduroys.


Moving on to the Alfa, everything else pales into insignificance really when you lift the bonnet to reveal the automotive work of art that is - or was, sniff - Alfa's 3.0-litre V6 motor. It's a shame the vendor hasn't actually lifted the bonnet because it's a wonderful thing to behold, not just in how it sounds and goes but also in its appearance, so refreshingly 'in your face' in this depressing age of black plastic shrouds. Here's a video of one. Don't worry about the white smoke, ha ha.

It's a stylish machine, the Alfa. Not brilliantly well made mind. The interior plastics on the first one were nasty and well out of kilter with the high asking price Alfa GB asked for it on launch (around £28K). The depreciation was epic. All great news for the Shedman.
What can go wrong, though?


The weight of the Alfa's 3.0 engine always put extra pressure on the suspension. The 166's improved front end included a creaky upper wishbone. MAF sensors are known for going too, producing uneven running.

Electrics are not an Alfa strong point. The owner confesses to non-functioning nearside windows and refers to other known issues concerning the indicators and cruise control, but who needs any of that stuff in modern rude Britain?

This 166 has a manual gearbox, but neither it nor the auto has a reputation for giving trouble. Check that the clutch isn't biting until the top of the pedal, and remember that the 3.0 engine will routinely use up to a litre of oil per 1,000 miles.

And the E39? The petrols are more reliable than the diesels and cheaper to mend if something goes squiffy. As with the Alfa, suspension components fail, but that's normally just wear and tear, not something you'd think would be an issue on a 59,000-miler. Engine cooling is a bigger potential banana skin. Electrics can be troublesome here too: light control modules, window motors, boot releases, the heating system's 'hedgehog' resistor. So it's not just Alfa.


A bad E39 should be avoided. A good one, as this appears to be, could be a joy if not for ever, but for a very long time.

So, to return to the question at the beginning: which one would you buy? Both have full MoTs. The Alfa is a private sale, and £300 cheaper than the BMW. The dealer flogging the BMW is selling the numberplate separately, which is rather boring not least because it means we can't check the MoT history. However, we are told it has a full service history to go with its low mileage. Then again, the higher-mileage Alfa has a pretty spotless MOT history, with very little of any consequence having gone wrong in the last 10 years.

Oooh, it's so difficult. Over to you, in that case.

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Alfa 166 3.0 V6

It's a silver Super. 145K miles. Owned by me 12 years. Has full 12 months MOT. Niggles are near side windows not working although they clonk a little when the switch is pressed so the issue is inside the door..
Cooling fan ran on after drenching in rain storm. Not repeated since.
Other niggles are common to many 166's such as non cancelling indicators, non working cruise control.
Strengths are that aircon is ice cold having had new compressor a couple of years ago. Good tyres and wheels. Stainless rear exhaust. 
New clutch last year and very light clutch action. Very strong engine. 
Heater matrix done in 2009 together with heater fan.
Drive shaft boots plus front brake pipes (metal) plus rear flexis last year. 
Front suspension top arms also last year. 
Good brakes but new set of front discs and pads available too.
Cam belt will be due soon (last done Jan 2013 at 120K).
It looks great in the pictures but it does bear some scars from it's years of use. The bumpers are scratched and there is a small dent in the boot lid.
It's a hell of a lot of car for the money but needs an enthusiast to take it on now.
Call Doug on 07824 962135 for more details.


Author
Discussion

The_Guv

Original Poster:

2 posts

99 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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Quality choices

I had a 1996 520 with cloth trim.
It was a fantastic car but the electrics for the a/c and radio display were broken. Plus the engine was rebuilt due to the problem with the nikasil lining. I liked it that much I got a 2003 520i Esse which was full of problems relating to engine cylinder coils failing and corroded alloys.

Would still recommend an e39 now.

monge

4 posts

94 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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Cue the German fanboys ridiculing the Alfa (says the italian fanboy)

For me it would be the Alfa every time. Just something about the style inside and out that wins it for me.

Even the TS engine was a little fun, but the V6 is the best engine I have ever driven, heard or seen.

Uncle John

4,293 posts

191 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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The Doctor owner thing does make me laugh, may have been a plus back in the days of yore but now about as relevant as a kick in the shins.

Shed re - igniting the V6 vs I6 debate (Believe the BMW is a six)......

For me the 166, mainly because I'm an Alfa fan and for the V6.

The Hypno-Toad

12,283 posts

205 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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Alfa all day long.

Saw a red one in beautiful condition round the corner from where I live the other day and I nearly left a note on his windscreen to say that if he wanted to sell it I'd be interested.

And I've not get anywhere to park it.

Or the money to run it.

Or any need for it as a day to day runner.

But boy is it pretty.

JD2329

481 posts

168 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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A good E39 can very quickly become bad...a 520 is not exactly a ball of fire either. Though given the low mileage I'd pick it ahead of the Alfa.
Two interesting sheds with proper engines.

waynedear

2,179 posts

167 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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Easy win for the 166

Angus-fj7ob

4 posts

96 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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Mmm...I flagged the Alfa last week - it was available then, rather than that bog standard W201...

Lotusgone

1,192 posts

127 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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Hmm...I had a E39 540 (until radiator failure turned it into a project) and have a GTV V6. It's the auto box on the BM that tips the scales to the Alfa - and given we are still talking sheds, I'd run it until either passing it on again or loving it enough to renew the cambelt & water pump. Probably the latter.

J4CKO

41,603 posts

200 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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Alfa still has a bit of panache, BMW decent but just looks a bit old and the 520i is a bit underpowered, well its perfectly adequate but not quite what the bodystyle promises, 528i was the sweet spot

x19dude

22 posts

137 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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For me it would have to be the alfa - I've owned 3 of them and would love to have another one. The e39, particularly in 520i form is terribly sluggish and does not have the charisma of the alfa ( even in 2 ltr form the alfa is better and the interior is a heck of a lot nicer - just think of the 166 leather seats)

Cambs_Stuart

2,875 posts

84 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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The alpha. Great engine and interior. And I'll accept the fact it may need more tlc than the bmw.

garythesnail

53 posts

168 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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The Hypno-Toad said:
But boy is it pretty.
I'm not sure we're looking at the same car - a face only a mother could love, but agree with you - I think I'd take it over the 520, warts-and-all.

Auto electrics can be considered a hobby and the belts can't be harder than a Rover KV6?

HeMightBeBanned

617 posts

178 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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I always felt that the 166 was hanging onto the coat-tails of the 156, stylistically. The 156 has to be one of the best looking, best proportioned saloons ever. The styling cues that they grafted onto the 166 just never seemed to work as a cohesive unit and the front end gave the car a rather sad expression. It probably was sad, because it knew it wasn't anywhere near as handsome as its smaller sibling.

It'd be the Beemer for me.

Ryvita

714 posts

210 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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Two national interpretations of the essence of shedding there. Alfa wins it for me.

If you must have a BMW, shame the budget couldn't stretch to this to tie in with the day's news on the new Z.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

2 GKC

1,899 posts

105 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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As a committed BMW fan, I'd take the Alfa. Cloth in an E39 is just wrong, as is a 2 litre.

austinsmirk

5,597 posts

123 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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never understood why ownership by a "doctor" is a good thing. I surmise it relates to doctors from 100 years ago and finer times.

I've a friend who is a GP. her car looks like a farmers truck/steptoe's cart- battered by children, animals, loading bikes/bales of hay and allotment trips.

Basically they'll run it into the ground and its a scrapper.

but it was owned by a GP !

tr7v8

7,192 posts

228 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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Difficult for me I'd love the Alfa but would prefer Auto. But that engine & the Alfas looks would win it for me. Keep looking at 166s every now & then, but they don't suit what we do as a family anymore.

sjabrown

1,920 posts

160 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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The "owned by a doctor" refers to another era.

You can see my fleet on here but my daily runaround is a 2002 Corsavan for my work as a GP

Captaincheese

247 posts

154 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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Alfa all day long - it looks glorious and that engine is a thing of beauty

mrpenks

368 posts

155 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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I miss my Alfa V6. The 166 is worth running just to listen that that lovely engine. And is it me or has the 166 aged better than the 5. I remember disliking it when when launched but it has really aged well to my eyes