RE: Ford Focus RS Option Pack: Review

RE: Ford Focus RS Option Pack: Review

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Legacywr

12,161 posts

189 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Rat_Fink_67 said:
MrBarry123 said:
If the FRS had wider arches I’d be all over it like mackerel pâté on toast.
I covered in my previous post why the mk3 doesn't have wider arches.
The Megane is a 5 door, and they have flared the rear arhes on that!

Rat_Fink_67

2,309 posts

207 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Legacywr said:
The Megane is a 5 door, and they have flared the rear arhes on that!
I'm not sure how that's relevant to Ford though, whose mainstream production line isn't wide enough to accommodate a Focus with wider arches?

Legacywr

12,161 posts

189 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Rat_Fink_67 said:
Legacywr said:
The Megane is a 5 door, and they have flared the rear arhes on that!
I'm not sure how that's relevant to Ford though, whose mainstream production line isn't wide enough to accommodate a Focus with wider arches?
I think it's quite relevant that the RS doesn't have any form of arch widening, it certainly would of helped to define it!

HumanDoing

540 posts

127 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Rat_Fink_67 said:
I'm not sure how that's relevant to Ford though, whose mainstream production line isn't wide enough to accommodate a Focus with wider arches?
The production line-related reasons for the car being how it is are completely irrelevant.

JoBlack

143 posts

81 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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So if the Focus RS had wide arches, how much would WBAC pay for it?

V10Ace

301 posts

94 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Ahbefive said:
You can't honestly be suggesting that is is less visually "out there" than an A45, Golf R, RS3 etc?

Surely you jest?
The Golf is so bland "visually" that I actually forgot it... laugh

But I still stand by "my" opinion and perception of this Focus...

Could have and should have been so much more...

The mk2 in green or white was the best and most aggressive visually to me, with a tough 4 square stance, even more so than the mk1, love 'em or hate them, it could never ever be described or argued as "Q" car, so make of that what you will...

beer



Rat_Fink_67

2,309 posts

207 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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HumanDoing said:
The production line-related reasons for the car being how it is are completely irrelevant.
What?? How is the fact that it had to be made to suit the standard production line or not be made at all irrelevant?

Let me guess, you "read it somewhere"...

HumanDoing

540 posts

127 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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My point is when selecting a car you make decisions based on what the car has or does not have. You don't go 'ahhh well it's missing this but never mind, it's down to the production line ... please take my £30,000 that I've worked hard for' do you?

Rat_Fink_67

2,309 posts

207 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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HumanDoing said:
My point is when selecting a car you make decisions based on what the car has or does not have. You don't go 'ahhh well it's missing this but never mind, it's down to the production line ... please take my £30,000 that I've worked hard for' do you?
But would you not complain even more had it never been made in the first place? Or maybe prefer that the cost of a bespoke production process was added to the RRP?

At the end of the day it's not missing anything is it? How can a car be missing a feature that it was never intended to have in the first place? That's like me jumping in my car now and saying "oh fk sake, I wish the afterburner was working". Just because you or anyone else think a car "should" have something doesn't make it missing.

It's got a bespoke front and rear end, bigger spoiler, nice seats, bigger brakes and a unique-to-the-range engine and drivetrain, yet people are hung up on the wheel arches. I remember when the mk2 came out people were moaning it wasn't AWD, so Ford build one and then the moaners move on to something else. No manufacturer is ever going to make the perfect car; one man's dream is another's disappointment.

Edited by Rat_Fink_67 on Tuesday 26th September 22:33

IanJ9375

1,469 posts

217 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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HumanDoing said:
My point is when selecting a car you make decisions based on what the car has or does not have. You don't go 'ahhh well it's missing this but never mind, it's down to the production line ... please take my £30,000 that I've worked hard for' do you?
We've tried to explain why Ford have spent the money elsewhere on the car rather than bespoke arches, yes the car for some people will be muted (same as the Golf or S3/RS3/A45 will even) but for every one person who doesn't like that there's just as many if not more that do, hence why they've sold more this time around.

Drive one then come back and tell me you'd rather it be front wheel drive with fatter arches



Rat_Fink_67

2,309 posts

207 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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One thing to bear in mind too is that the mk3 is already wider in general, the mk2 arch to arch dimensions are only 2mm wider.

V10Ace

301 posts

94 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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IanJ9375 said:
Drive one then come back and tell me you'd rather it be front wheel drive with fatter arches
Well I've driven one and still would like the fatter arches!

Just maybe not the fwd...laugh

I don't think that anyone is arguing that the mk2 is a better car or even prettier, just alot more aggressive looking...

Way more RS....

nickfrog

21,231 posts

218 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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JoBlack said:
So if the Focus RS had wide arches, how much would WBAC pay for it?
laugh



IanJ9375

1,469 posts

217 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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V10Ace said:
Way more RS....
See if you look back at history the MK1 and MK2 Escorts which are probably the cornerstone of the RS brand looked pretty much like the regular L model cars, some alloys, rear spoiler and a nose cone on the MK2 and off you go

The days of RS actually being anything to do with Rallying are long gone (thanks WRC for ditching homologation), and left with the choice of a Golf R or a Civic Type R, I'd have to take the Golf on looks, the RS is a happy compromise for me, the drive being more important

Ultrafunkula

997 posts

106 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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I don't think the mk3 RS looks any more bland than the mk1 RS, I don't remember any complaints about that looks wise...

Fckitdriveon

1,042 posts

91 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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HumanDoing said:
please take my £30,000
Said you.......never.

Car-Matt

1,923 posts

139 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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Thing is...all you guys arguing that it needs wider arches.....


It really doesn't, Ford are selling all of them that they are making, there isn't a glut of unsold FRS sitting there........so the upshot is YOU may like wider arches, but they are not hindering the successful sales therefore you ARE in the minority and the car definitely does not NEED wider arches to compete successfully in the marketplace.


Zoon

6,718 posts

122 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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IanJ9375 said:
See if you look back at history the MK1 and MK2 Escorts which are probably the cornerstone of the RS brand looked pretty much like the regular L model cars, some alloys, rear spoiler and a nose cone on the MK2 and off you go
And yet the MK3 had side skirts and extended arches, albeit with a body kit.

IanJ9375

1,469 posts

217 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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Car-Matt said:
Thing is...all you guys arguing that it needs wider arches.....


It really doesn't, Ford are selling all of them that they are making, there isn't a glut of unsold FRS sitting there........so the upshot is YOU may like wider arches, but they are not hindering the successful sales therefore you ARE in the minority and the car definitely does not NEED wider arches to compete successfully in the marketplace.
Same argument can be made for the fact most of these hatches are now 5dr, everyone seems to bemoan the extra doors but obviously these companies know their market and see the sales number back that up it seems.


Car-Matt

1,923 posts

139 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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Zoon said:
And yet the MK3 had side skirts and extended arches, albeit with a body kit.
MK3 RS1600i did not have extended arches, body kit or otherwise....... tongue out