RE: Ford Focus RS Option Pack: Review
Discussion
lee_erm said:
9k rpm said:
I bet it's still not as quick or as much fun as a remapped 335d. ;-)
What are WBAC offering for a remapped 335d though?This thing looks poor in comparison to the Civic R. That is a stunning machine and money in the bank I reckon.
ChrisBuer said:
I have the diff fitted on my Mountune Focus RS and I love it. I prefer the increased grip levels and additional sure footed nature that it offers over the standard set up but appreciate some may not like it.
The grip the car now produces would embarrass my previous Lotus Exige V6 which I find impressive.
If you're the guy that had the 1M Chris, you've had an enviable history of cars!The grip the car now produces would embarrass my previous Lotus Exige V6 which I find impressive.
HumanDoing said:
You call me 'spacktard' yet apparently I'M the troll? How many more times do I have to say it - I love the car, I'm thinking about maybe getting one myself in two or three years time - doesn't change the fact that WBAC are offering £19k for them. Which means sellers won't be able to leverage a high WBAC price when selling to dealerships. Which will lead to a fall in dealership offers.
What part of that don't you understand, seriously? Logging in to autotrader and getting a generic quote that has huge caveats all over it doesn't prove anything - and frankly even at £23k now, that's far, far more depreciation in the first year then RS enthusiasts were crowing about when the car first came out and should ring alarm bells about having anything left in the car at 3 years for PCPers on a final payment of circa £17k.
WARNING WARNING REPEAT for anyone accusing me of trolling, I really like this car and am not saying you can buy an RS for £19k now, WARNING WARNING please read this and stop going on and on about the same things making false accusations about me and producing false 'evidence' in an attempt to disprove what I'm saying WARNING.
I called you a troll in my post because you literally haven't left a Focus RS Mk3 thread without the phrases "19k" or "WBAC" at least twenty times in it in the last five days. If the RS owners don't want to listen and want to live in a bubble of "my cars worth £27,000 after two years" - why bother repeating the rhetoric? You're not going to change their mind.What part of that don't you understand, seriously? Logging in to autotrader and getting a generic quote that has huge caveats all over it doesn't prove anything - and frankly even at £23k now, that's far, far more depreciation in the first year then RS enthusiasts were crowing about when the car first came out and should ring alarm bells about having anything left in the car at 3 years for PCPers on a final payment of circa £17k.
WARNING WARNING REPEAT for anyone accusing me of trolling, I really like this car and am not saying you can buy an RS for £19k now, WARNING WARNING please read this and stop going on and on about the same things making false accusations about me and producing false 'evidence' in an attempt to disprove what I'm saying WARNING.
Oh and the quotes i gave clearly state PART EX and PRIVATE sale types against cars that are on the market now with real mileage and registration marks - so its you that doesn't get it.
The only thing that is even more laughable than your constant repetition of the rhetoric is that WBAC are now offering (on the blue RS i quoted earlier) £18,185 - which quite frankly you'd have to be on the good stuff to consider.
Havoc856-S said:
I called you a troll in my post because you literally haven't left a Focus RS Mk3 thread without the phrases "19k" or "WBAC" at least twenty times in it in the last five days. If the RS owners don't want to listen and want to live in a bubble of "my cars worth £27,000 after two years" - why bother repeating the rhetoric? You're not going to change their mind.
Oh and the quotes i gave clearly state PART EX and PRIVATE sale types against cars that are on the market now with real mileage and registration marks - so its you that doesn't get it.
The only thing that is even more laughable than your constant repetition of the rhetoric is that WBAC are now offering (on the blue RS i quoted earlier) £18,185 - which quite frankly you'd have to be on the good stuff to consider.
It's not 'rhetoric', it's fact. I'm not saying people are being forced to sell at those prices, just that that is the offer and yes that will surely have an affect on dealership offers. Plus I'm confused by the idea that a forum should just be a place in which people make false claims ... and nobody corrects them because heaven forbid facts, reason and logic be used? That sounds very post-truth, alternative-facty to me. Oh and the quotes i gave clearly state PART EX and PRIVATE sale types against cars that are on the market now with real mileage and registration marks - so its you that doesn't get it.
The only thing that is even more laughable than your constant repetition of the rhetoric is that WBAC are now offering (on the blue RS i quoted earlier) £18,185 - which quite frankly you'd have to be on the good stuff to consider.
However it would appear the WBAC is now a full £1,000 lower than it was a week ago - worrying times (apart from for people who have decided WBAC is completely irrelevant despite it being a huge contributing factor in secondary values and negotiating leverage with dealerships).
lee_erm said:
Why do you think a WBAC valuation would have an effect on a dealership offer?
Because if a dealer knows the seller could only get £19k from WBAC and clearly doesn't want to try to set up a £20k+ private deal to flog their car (as they have come to the dealership to try to get a p/x), they have nowhere else to go. What kind of business offers £25k when they know the seller 'has' to accept £20k because it's the best offer? These places aren't charities. I've got one on order, to replace a Cosworth Subaru, which is not as entertaining to drive, but does have 400bhp as standard and is one of 75 built; so not an easy call.
Winter tyres, ski rack and off to the Alps it will go.
Seems to me that it's decent value if you're looking at one of these anyway.
Winter tyres, ski rack and off to the Alps it will go.
Seems to me that it's decent value if you're looking at one of these anyway.
I love mass debates on car valuations. Whilst we're on the subject, over supply and reliability issues certainly will be having an effect on resale prices, same thing happened with the MK2 if I recall. I remember looking at one just shy of 16k once upon a time, things have certainly improved for them, will the MK3 be able to replicate this? only time will tell.
HumanDoing said:
Because if a dealer knows the seller could only get £19k from WBAC and clearly doesn't want to try to set up a £20k+ private deal to flog their car (as they have come to the dealership to try to get a p/x), they have nowhere else to go. What kind of business offers £25k when they know the seller 'has' to accept £20k because it's the best offer? These places aren't charities.
Not as clear cut as that. WBAC price it to attract quite a naive seller who indeed can't be bothered to sell it privately. Or they simply don't want FRSs.But that will be a tiny number as if priced at, say £24,995 privately, it will go within hours.
I do not believe there would be many people naive enough to forego £6k for so little effort so I can see Ford dealers offering far more for trade-in as an incentive, probably £23k-£24k.
Edited by nickfrog on Saturday 26th August 09:13
Fair point but I think as prices go up and up with regards to the car for sale, fewer and fewer people want to get involved in all the potential issues of a private sale. I'd flog mine for £8k privately if I was selling now, but if I had a car worth £18k or £28k, I really wouldn't fancy opening up the location of the car to potential scammers, having to transfer such huge amounts of money around and all that jazz. Maybe I'm just overly paranoid on these things but I think a lot of people would agree.
Anyway I wasn't disputing that people could get more on a private sale, just that I'd be reticent to spend even £25k on a car that would be worth £19k the next day if I had to trade it in for some reason.
Anyway I wasn't disputing that people could get more on a private sale, just that I'd be reticent to spend even £25k on a car that would be worth £19k the next day if I had to trade it in for some reason.
HumanDoing said:
Anyway I wasn't disputing that people could get more on a private sale, just that I'd be reticent to spend even £25k on a car that would be worth £19k the next day if I had to trade it in for some reason.
Only if you were a moron selling it to WBAC rather than simply phoned your local Ford dealer...as you've been told. 437 times.HumanDoing said:
Anyway I wasn't disputing that people could get more on a private sale, just that I'd be reticent to spend even £25k on a car that would be worth £19k the next day if I had to trade it in for some reason.
It would be worth far more than £19k to trade in, see my post.Never had issues selling cars for £25k - you just need to manage expectations and qualify people - very little work for a good delta vs trade.
Edited by nickfrog on Saturday 26th August 14:56
nickfrog said:
It would be worth far more than £19k to trade in, see my post.
Never had issues selling cars for £25k - you just need to manage expectations and qualify people - very little work for a good delta vs trade.
Well I'm glad it's worked out for your Frog but I'm sure there are plenty of people who'd void their huggies at the mere thought of it. Never had issues selling cars for £25k - you just need to manage expectations and qualify people - very little work for a good delta vs trade.
Edited by nickfrog on Saturday 26th August 14:56
HumanDoing said:
Anyway I wasn't disputing that people could get more on a private sale, just that I'd be reticent to spend even £25k on a car that would be worth £19k the next day if I had to trade it in for some reason.
I don't really like the new FRS and couldn't care less if it's worth 10 times the purchase price or 10p, but your scenario isn't realistic? Only an idiot would run to WBAC to sell their car when you could contact people who would pay more and could complete a purchase equally as quickly/painlessly as WBAC can.- Spend £25k on a FRS.
- Enjoy your car for the rest of the day.
- Next morning discover your world has collapsed.
- Once you've composed yourself, phone a handful of dealers who trade in similar cars as they should be the best buyers.
- Wait for bids of £22-23k to roll in.
- Pick the best bid and sell your car.
- Watch them retail your car for £25-27k.
...surely this is more accurate/realistic?
Cheers,
Grant
RS Grant said:
I don't really like the new FRS and couldn't care less if it's worth 10 times the purchase price or 10p, but your scenario isn't realistic? Only an idiot would run to WBAC to sell their car when you could contact people who would pay more and could complete a purchase equally as quickly/painlessly as WBAC can.
- Spend £25k on a FRS.
- Enjoy your car for the rest of the day.
- Next morning discover your world has collapsed.
- Once you've composed yourself, phone a handful of dealers who trade in similar cars as they should be the best buyers.
- Wait for bids of £22-23k to roll in.
- Pick the best bid and sell your car.
- Watch them retail your car for £25-27k.
...surely this is more accurate/realistic?
Cheers,
Grant
Probably yes. I've never said otherwise. Although I still wonder if dealers would really give £4k - 22% - more than WBAC's 19k? - Spend £25k on a FRS.
- Enjoy your car for the rest of the day.
- Next morning discover your world has collapsed.
- Once you've composed yourself, phone a handful of dealers who trade in similar cars as they should be the best buyers.
- Wait for bids of £22-23k to roll in.
- Pick the best bid and sell your car.
- Watch them retail your car for £25-27k.
...surely this is more accurate/realistic?
Cheers,
Grant
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