T- Charge (Toxicity Charge) - new London zone entry expense!

T- Charge (Toxicity Charge) - new London zone entry expense!

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Pica-Pica

13,789 posts

84 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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I checked my 335d before I bought it, back in January, and Euro 6 is exempt from this charge. Old news really.

Resolutionary

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1,259 posts

171 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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99dndd said:
TFL Website said:
After 23 October 2017, you have the following options:

Walk, cycle or use public transport - visit our Journey Planner tool
Upgrade your vehicle. In this case, you'll also need to check the forthcoming tighter ULEZ standards
Pay the daily charge
Join a car club - all car club vehicles meet the emission standard.


Right, we're all forming a car club then?
You even get private parking spaces allocated just to car clubs - I'm in! laugh

SonicShadow

2,452 posts

154 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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jeremyc said:
My 1971 Lotus is apparently exempt.

Clearly no toxicity problems with that, or maybe it's because it was built before we joined the EU. hehe
PC80 said:
Seems my 6.3 litre V8 Dodge Challenger is exempt because it meets the Euro 4 standard. Who knew the Americans were using EU standards in 1969?

And my daily BMW doesn't exist according to the TFL website - or it's been registered abroad. Silly me thinking it was registered here.

Or, the TFL website is a sack of sh*te and many people will be told they don't have to pay the charge, only to be fined later.
If you use the checky by vehicle type option, you'll get this -

The VRM checker is probably wrong. If I were to guess, I'd say that when it see's no data for EURO emissions compliance it's returning a pass rather than falling back to registration date.

Resolutionary

Original Poster:

1,259 posts

171 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Pica-Pica said:
I checked my 335d before I bought it, back in January, and Euro 6 is exempt from this charge. Old news really.
I think the trend is that older cars produced under different regs and not in line with Euro4+ will be charged - that said some anomalies are being discussed here.

I totally get that not many people drive in central London nor the CC zone, nor are likely to in future, but this will most certainly affect some. As for buses / taxis etc, when you see one of them make a break for it at lights or a junction I do wonder what will become of them in coming months.

I've been told there are plans to roll out hybrid / electric public transport vehicles soon; can't imagine the costs involved in replacing / upgrading fleets like that.

Pica-Pica

13,789 posts

84 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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SonicShadow said:
Semi related -

Not much aluminium on an MR2! laugh
But is there Aloo-min-um

SonicShadow

2,452 posts

154 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Pica-Pica said:
SonicShadow said:
Semi related -

Not much aluminium on an MR2! laugh
But is there Aloo-min-um
Nope, built in Japan so only the finest slightly rusty glorious nippon steel.

TonyRPH

12,972 posts

168 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Resolutionary said:
My Audi A8 2.8 V6 will soon cost £21 per day between 7am - 6pm to drive in the zone.
Interesting to note that my 2.5L straight 6 BMW is £10 per day - and yet my emissions can't be much better than yours surely?



PC80

60 posts

95 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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SonicShadow said:
jeremyc said:
My 1971 Lotus is apparently exempt.

Clearly no toxicity problems with that, or maybe it's because it was built before we joined the EU. hehe
PC80 said:
Seems my 6.3 litre V8 Dodge Challenger is exempt because it meets the Euro 4 standard. Who knew the Americans were using EU standards in 1969?

And my daily BMW doesn't exist according to the TFL website - or it's been registered abroad. Silly me thinking it was registered here.

Or, the TFL website is a sack of sh*te and many people will be told they don't have to pay the charge, only to be fined later.
If you use the checky by vehicle type option, you'll get this -

The VRM checker is probably wrong. If I were to guess, I'd say that when it see's no data for EURO emissions compliance it's returning a pass rather than falling back to registration date.
There's a clear danger that some people will use the VRM checker, and be told that their car is ok. Then get a nice little fine in the post. Bound to happen. Why would you use the "check by type" option if the VRM worked? They need to sort out that loop hole.

Also, my BMW has been on its current registration for 12 months, yet their system doesn't recognise it.

Typical public sector garbage.

jeremyc

23,466 posts

284 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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SonicShadow said:
jeremyc said:
My 1971 Lotus is apparently exempt.

Clearly no toxicity problems with that, or maybe it's because it was built before we joined the EU. hehe
If you use the checky by vehicle type option, you'll get this -

The VRM checker is probably wrong. If I were to guess, I'd say that when it see's no data for EURO emissions compliance it's returning a pass rather than falling back to registration date.
No problems. I have a 5.2l V10 or 4.2l V8 that are both exempt. biggrin

CraigyMc

16,409 posts

236 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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PC80 said:
Typical public sector garbage.
It's generally subbed out to the likes of Crapita.

kiethton

13,895 posts

180 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Hmmmm....

"Registration not found"

That's annoying! - '07 Lotus Exige 190

Pica-Pica

13,789 posts

84 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Resolutionary said:
Pica-Pica said:
I checked my 335d before I bought it, back in January, and Euro 6 is exempt from this charge. Old news really.
I think the trend is that older cars produced under different regs and not in line with Euro4+ will be charged - that said some anomalies are being discussed here.

I totally get that not many people drive in central London nor the CC zone, nor are likely to in future, but this will most certainly affect some. As for buses / taxis etc, when you see one of them make a break for it at lights or a junction I do wonder what will become of them in coming months.

I've been told there are plans to roll out hybrid / electric public transport vehicles soon; can't imagine the costs involved in replacing / upgrading fleets like that.
Do you mean trams? What a novel idea! Edinburgh and Nottingham have had tram networks installed recently. When I went to Edinburgh while it was under consultation, a guide told me the taxi drivers were dead against it. You bet they were.

Havoc856-S

2,072 posts

179 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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My 3.5l V6 Evora isn't charged... Which begs the question - what is this for?

MikeT66

2,680 posts

124 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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"Silver/Aluminium FORD PUMA THUNDER
You are subject to the T-Charge.
From 23 October 2017 if you travel in the Congestion Charge zone 07:00-18:00 Monday to Friday, you will be charged £10 a day in addition to the Congestion Charge.
This is because your vehicle does not meet the Euro 4 / IV standard (Euro 3 if you checked a motorised tricycle or quadricycle)."

It's rare I drive into London anyway, but clearly if I drive into the zone outside of the hours shown my car suddenly becomes non-polluting and non-toxic! woohoo


Pica-Pica

13,789 posts

84 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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SonicShadow said:
Pica-Pica said:
SonicShadow said:
Semi related -

Not much aluminium on an MR2! laugh
But is there Aloo-min-um
Nope, built in Japan so only the finest slightly rusty glorious nippon steel.
But with the heavy American influence post WW2....
capital n for Nippon (pronounced Ni-hon)

Pica-Pica

13,789 posts

84 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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kiethton said:
Hmmmm....

"Registration not found"

That's annoying! - '07 Lotus Exige 190
If you continue it may explain why (in some cases it will be post Sept 2015, i.e. Euro6)

Pica-Pica

13,789 posts

84 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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MikeT66 said:
"Silver/Aluminium FORD PUMA THUNDER
You are subject to the T-Charge.
From 23 October 2017 if you travel in the Congestion Charge zone 07:00-18:00 Monday to Friday, you will be charged £10 a day in addition to the Congestion Charge.
This is because your vehicle does not meet the Euro 4 / IV standard (Euro 3 if you checked a motorised tricycle or quadricycle)."

It's rare I drive into London anyway, but clearly if I drive into the zone outside of the hours shown my car suddenly becomes non-polluting and non-toxic! woohoo
Well, it pollutes fewer fauna and flora.

SonicShadow

2,452 posts

154 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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PC80 said:
There's a clear danger that some people will use the VRM checker, and be told that their car is ok. Then get a nice little fine in the post. Bound to happen. Why would you use the "check by type" option if the VRM worked? They need to sort out that loop hole.

Also, my BMW has been on its current registration for 12 months, yet their system doesn't recognise it.

Typical public sector garbage.
There is. Just entered a Triumph Stag reg as I had a photo of one, same result, it states exempt. There is a disclaimer at the bottom -

Disclaimer
The compliance status of your vehicle for the T-Charge has been calculated based on the information you provided. It is your responsibility to ensure the information you provide is accurate. Every effort is made to ensure that the information we provide you is correct at the date of our response. However, we provide no warranty as to the accuracy of the information and accept no legal liability or responsibility for its accuracy. If you are in any doubt over your vehicle's Euro emission standard, please refer to your vehicle registration document - also known as a V5C - or contact your vehicle manufacturer.

Don't know if I'd want to risk it just because the checker stated it's exempt!

kiethton

13,895 posts

180 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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jeremyc said:
My 1971 Lotus is apparently exempt.

Clearly no toxicity problems with that, or maybe it's because it was built before we joined the EU. hehe
The following are exempt from paying the T-Charge:

London licensed Taxis and Private Hire Vehicles
Emergency service vehicles such as ambulances, fire engines, NHS vehicles and Ministry of Defence vehicles
Commercial vehicles built before 1973
Vehicles with a historic tax class (40 years and older).

SonicShadow

2,452 posts

154 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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CraigyMc said:
PC80 said:
Typical public sector garbage.
It's generally subbed out to the likes of Crapita.
Most of the .gov online stuff is in house now. Generally it's actually been pretty good, like the MOT history check for example.