RE: New TVR Griffith - official
Discussion
Jonny TVR said:
I have a deposit on the launch edition. I'm starting to wonder about depreciation too. The options are to buy the TVR or possibly buy a depreciation proof classic for the same money or you could justify buying a more expensive classic/ collectors car or two based on the depreciation argument.
Well that depends on a lot of events difficult to foresee. The classic market might collapse (many say it's been bubbling along nicely). The new TVR might get average reviews. It might have a couple of teething issues. It could also be utterly brilliant and get rave reviews. The list is basically endless.Could go the other way around as well. Thing gets rave reviews, comparisons with the F1 abound, GM's genius etc. And then TVR decides it's much nicer to hike the price to 120k and keep volume low instead of working on more boring stuff like setting up production to get the price down. Or they fold after delivering say 200 cars and the values go through the roof.
I don't want to be cynical, but basing this purchase purely on potential value development is going to be difficult. I've tried. More I look at it, the more convincing it becomes -- but while the deposit would not be a problem, I'd have to finance much more of the 90k purchase price than I'm comfortable with.
And I will probably bite my posterior for it in a few years. Just a recent example, really nothing special but one I remember -- an Alfa 4C was free to launch edition customers for about 2-3 years. People were queuing up to get one, Alfa hiked the price by quite a bit right after launch. And even now the hype has well cooled down there's not much out there used much below what the early adopters had to pay.
I found this thread last night. Took me forever to go through the whole thing.
I agree with the chap that said it looks like a whale shark.
I adore TVR's, and like many non TVR owners, I have waited with anticipation and hope. I just can't for the life of me deal with that front end!
It does look like they copied the car out of GTA5. It does look like an 812 rip off. The back for me is great, the sides forgivable, the crap interior forgivable, but the Pixar Disney friendly shark front end??? Noooo.
Not good.
If they sort out that out, they'll have a chance. If not, bye bye TVR
I'm no expert, but I gave it a minor reshape in photoshop, I know it looks a bit naff, but you can kinda see where I'm going with it, just to make it NOT look like a whale shark. And drop the Hair Salon badge too, yes I agree with whoever said that.
Please join me, let's try and get this sorted.
https://drivetribe.com/t/stop-the-whale-shark-a6L6...
https://drivetribe.com/t/stop-the-whale-shark-a6L6...
biscuitsace said:
I'm no expert, but I gave it a minor reshape in photoshop, I know it looks a bit naff, but you can kinda see where I'm going with it, just to make it NOT look like a whale shark. And drop the Hair Salon badge too, yes I agree with whoever said that.
Nice one, cured it whale shark but now it looks like a toothless old man gurning.
essexstu said:
What is 'real' is that 500 people have placed a deposit and more are on the reserve list. Park the new TVR Griff next to a Porsche 911S and see what gets the most attention, what car has the best performance and what car sounds the best. That is the target market for the new TVR and the fact that the majority of deposit holders are not previous TVR owners demonstrates that Les & team have got it right.
Get the 911 point, however park it in a row alongside a current (or next gen) Aston Vantage, Audi R8 V10, F type SVR, BMW i8, Mercedes GTR, Cayman GT4, 911T or a lightly used 540c and then see if the TVR still gets most attention. bennno said:
Get the 911 point, however park it in a row alongside a current (or next gen) Aston Vantage, Audi R8 V10, F type SVR, BMW i8, Mercedes GTR, Cayman GT4, 911T or a lightly used 540c and then see if the TVR still gets most attention.
Having seen it in the flesh, I'd say it'd hold it's own against a fair few of your list in the 'casino square interest stakes' - especially once fired up. Sway said:
bennno said:
Get the 911 point, however park it in a row alongside a current (or next gen) Aston Vantage, Audi R8 V10, F type SVR, BMW i8, Mercedes GTR, Cayman GT4, 911T or a lightly used 540c and then see if the TVR still gets most attention.
Having seen it in the flesh, I'd say it'd hold it's own against a fair few of your list in the 'casino square interest stakes' - especially once fired up. If this car looked a bit sharper, e.g. the bonnet was better designed to hide its edges as per previous gen TVR's, it looked a bit lower, was a bit more stripped out for the road and cost £55-£65K I would be tempted, but at 85k..... I think id buy a lightly used V12 vantage or find another 15k for an MP4 12C Mclaren.
RoverP6B said:
More to the point, are they any closer to actually delivering production cars to customers and/or the media?
I'm guessing you haven't actually got a deposit down on one? As you live under a rock...
the internet said:
Construction of TVR’s new home in Wales is expected to be completed before the end of 2019, with production of the new Griffith scheduled to start soon after. TVR is hopeful that deliveries of the first 500 examples of the £90,000 480bhp Griffith Launch Edition will begin before the end of 2019.
bennno said:
I imagine once fired up it will sound exceptionally similar to a Mustang with a sports exhaust.
If this car looked a bit sharper, e.g. the bonnet was better designed to hide its edges as per previous gen TVR's, it looked a bit lower, was a bit more stripped out for the road and cost £55-£65K I would be tempted, but at 85k..... I think id buy a lightly used V12 vantage or find another 15k for an MP4 12C Mclaren.
It'll be available for £65k - the £85k is the top spec Launch Edition, there's a few simple changes to construction that drop £20ish K off the cost. If this car looked a bit sharper, e.g. the bonnet was better designed to hide its edges as per previous gen TVR's, it looked a bit lower, was a bit more stripped out for the road and cost £55-£65K I would be tempted, but at 85k..... I think id buy a lightly used V12 vantage or find another 15k for an MP4 12C Mclaren.
I very much doubt it'll sound much like a Mustang. For a start the exhaust is about a quarter the length!
Yes, the front bumper isn't as dynamic or have the complex surfacing I'd perhaps like. Side on, the lower body has a 'weight' to it - but then so does pretty much every car apart from a Lotus or Caterham today. People apparently don't like dying anymore.
The roofline, and flow into the very good looking rear I thought was superb. Bold.
The colour was poor, and didn't show it off well at all - I ended up going back and forth to the stand several times over the Revival weekend as I just couldn't make my mind up (plus of course it's always a tad difficult in isolation on a large stand, especially when the day gets saturated with much daintier vintage racing).
Overall though, my conclusion was that on the average street, it would stand out well - and attract positive attention.
Your mileage may vary.
They have been fairly public about going through production process definition at GMD in Surrey.
Effectively, the first 'production validation' car is being built (may be finished by now). From there, they'll tweak and refine a few things in terms of ensuring the production process is as efficient as possible, with built in quality at each stage.
These are the modern techniques which the 'old' TVR would have benefitted hugely from.
Effectively, the first 'production validation' car is being built (may be finished by now). From there, they'll tweak and refine a few things in terms of ensuring the production process is as efficient as possible, with built in quality at each stage.
These are the modern techniques which the 'old' TVR would have benefitted hugely from.
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