RE: 2018 Ford Mustang facelift announced
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Article said:
As previously reported, a revised front grille, LED lights - now standard - and air vents integrated into the lower bonnet bring the styling up to date.
Lower bonnet? As opposed to upper bonnet? How many bonnets does it have?(Regardless, looks lovely - the world / UK streets are better for the occasional mustang sighting)
Paddy78 said:
Got to be looking at 2019 before you'd get one, even with a deposit now. I looked at the old one and £1000 would get you one in a year.
Ok so further to the above point I was at my local Ford Performance earlier and the official line is the order book opens this month for deliveries starting April. The chap did say it with a smile on his face and said that there may be some movement on that but it sounds like you should be able to get one on an 18 plate.djc206 said:
Ok so further to the above point I was at my local Ford Performance earlier and the official line is the order book opens this month for deliveries starting April. The chap did say it with a smile on his face and said that there may be some movement on that but it sounds like you should be able to get one on an 18 plate.
Or ring round and pick up the existing model from stock if you need one sooner...culpz said:
10-speed gearbox! There's me thinking that a ZF 8-speed sounded excessive 
Interesting to hear about the loss of power on the Ecoboost engine as well as a gas particulate filter. Is that basically a DPF for petrol engines? Is this the first modern car to have one of these?
Unsure, they've been in the works for some time. I think this is the first one I have heard of publicly. The GPF basically works exactly the same as a DPF... i.e. it'll be a ceramic based, wall-flow type filter. I suspect the cell density is rather high though to catch the smaller gasoline particulates. This will be because on a normal cell density as used for DPFs, a gasoline filter may take a long time to build up a cake-layer on its walls; It is actually the cake layer which allows such high filtration, a brand new DPF is actually worse than a pre-loaded one... you need to fill the pores in the walls and then build a cake layer. Interesting to hear about the loss of power on the Ecoboost engine as well as a gas particulate filter. Is that basically a DPF for petrol engines? Is this the first modern car to have one of these?
So denser structure to aid that process.... obviously means higher back pressure.
I think these shouldnt see the problems that we saw with DPFs. As mentioned it will take a long time to collect any significant amount of PM before it needs regenerating and because gasoline exhaust temperatures are high (routinely over 600 deg C as opposed to diesel) then a little bit of lean running should see it all burned off without any extra stuff being needed.
On diesel passenger cars, for a time, they went with cooler engine calibrations and a DPF (as opposed to hotter and using an SCR because packaging a DPF is much easier). But its very hard then to get exhaust temps up to the 600 deg needed to oxidise diesel soot; hence post injection and oxidation catalysts and catalysts to produce extra NO/NO2 to bring the reaction temperature down to around 400. Now of course, you need SCR and DPF to meet the Euro standards.
djc206 said:
Or that. I have a current one but like the look and sound of the new one with the extra power, active exhaust, nicer wheels, 10 speed rather than the lazy 6 that's in it now etc etc
If you need the auto then it makes perfect sense as you couldn't pay me to take a Mustang with the current auto box. The exhaust is sortable with a dealer fit ford catalog item or 3rd party if you want to save cash over the Ford branded upgrade. tankplanker said:
f you need the auto then it makes perfect sense as you couldn't pay me to take a Mustang with the current auto box. The exhaust is sortable with a dealer fit ford catalog item or 3rd party if you want to save cash over the Ford branded upgrade.
I wouldn't say I need an auto I've just had very good auto boxes in my cars for 5 years now and prefer them to manuals (*ducks*). I test drove the Mustang with a manual box and it didn't seem that great to me, a bit too notchy. Yeah I could have had the exhaust done but I need an active option as I work shifts and my neighbours master bedroom is not a million miles from where my car is parked surrounded on two sides by high walls which essentially act like an amplifier directing sound straight at them! £2k I'd rather not spend. I suppose it all depends on how far Ford push up the price of the new model. The $ rate is looking a bit healthier now so hopefully around the £45k mark.
kapiteinlangzaam said:
I have an active exhaust on my current model.
Cost me €2k.
Quieter than stock when in quiet mode. Open pipes in loud mode
Theres so much out there for these cars that you can tailor them to any solution you have in mind.
Indeed there is, or I can just buy a new on!Cost me €2k.
Quieter than stock when in quiet mode. Open pipes in loud mode
Theres so much out there for these cars that you can tailor them to any solution you have in mind.
They've got a heavily modified mustang up at Eastleigh at the moment, body kit, lowered, supercharged, different wheels, quad exhaust and probably more. I'm just not the modified car type, I prefer to buy cars and then leave them be, call me boring! I guess that's the difference between European manufacturers and the yanks. If you buy a C63 it is as good as it should be, a mustang is just a blank canvas with a lot of unrealised potential hence the price difference, even the tyres fitted on ours were s
te and needed line locking to buggery and replaced.kapiteinlangzaam said:
Indeed, the point I was (badly) making is that you don't need to spend the extra £10k on the new model (that's the likely price increase for the top spec GT), if all you are really after is the modal exhaust.
There are plenty of solutions out there for the current model.
The only reasons to go for the new one would be a fetish for the new 10-speed auto, which BTW has some very mixed reviews.... Or the digital dashboard, which is likely to be prohibitively expensive to retrofit to the older models.
Can't be any lazier than the 6 speed.There are plenty of solutions out there for the current model.
The only reasons to go for the new one would be a fetish for the new 10-speed auto, which BTW has some very mixed reviews.... Or the digital dashboard, which is likely to be prohibitively expensive to retrofit to the older models.
I really miss having a digital dash especially digital speedo. I forgot they were including that on the new one, another selling point.
Gibbo205 said:
Gen2 Coyote was 435HP (410HP UK) and a good custom remap will take them to 450HP, mine is running this now, stock air box with K&N filter.
Gen3 Coyote is 460HP (444HP UK) and a good remap gains more due to direct/port injection allowing more timing safelt, so expect 485-495HP with a remap and panel filter. Good set of headers and high flow cats could see you close to 550HP on the gen3.
So the UK is *still* getting a crippled version of the V8 engine in this facelifted Mustang? Gen3 Coyote is 460HP (444HP UK) and a good remap gains more due to direct/port injection allowing more timing safelt, so expect 485-495HP with a remap and panel filter. Good set of headers and high flow cats could see you close to 550HP on the gen3.
djc206 said:
They've got a heavily modified mustang up at Eastleigh at the moment... I guess that's the difference between European manufacturers and the yanks. If you buy a C63 it is as good as it should be, a mustang is just a blank canvas with a lot of unrealised potential...
I apologise, but there may be a forest-for-the-trees thing going on here.In the US most Mustangs are neither "heavily modified" nor modified at all. And there are a lot more fully-optioned Mustangs running about than fully-optioned Mercedes-Benz cars. Ask Joe Bloggs: He'll tell you that he can afford the former, but not the latter.
Ardent US fans modify Mercedes-Benz cars, including the C63. They are fewer in number -- not because Mercedes-Benz is "as good as it should be" -- but because Mercedes-Benz tend to be bloody expensive (and, consequently, off limits to most folks).
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