RE: Bugatti Chiron sets 0-400kph-0 world record
Discussion
Zombie said:
Really does nothing for me. Big numbers (and little ones) but that's it, there doesn't appear to be any emotion. And the door handles ruin the lines, not that it is much of a looker.
I'd take a Ferrari any day of the week over it. A 599 GTO would do...
ferrari don't make any car anywhere near the level of the veyron/chiron in terms of build quality, power delivery, etcI'd take a Ferrari any day of the week over it. A 599 GTO would do...
this is a GT car and the 599 gto is absolutely not a gt car
always the same stupid comments about veyrons/chirons on here
re: the price
most owners own yachts that cost millions just in annual maintence yachts etc, this isn't a big deal
frankenstein12 said:
Well this is the video of the old Bug against the Agera R. Bear in mind this is the R not the more powerful 1 to One.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DH5j4PYp-o
Also worth bearing in mind that technically the Regera is the new Chirons more direct competitor and from the sounds of it the Regera would destroy the Chiron in a drag race.
The Regera stats are pretty crazy. Rough estimates put it at 0-249mph in 20 seconds. Given the Agera 1 to One record was 17 seconds 0-200-0 broken down as 6.5 seconds braking from 200-0 at a guess the Regera will do 0-249-0 in about 30-35 seconds if we allow 10-15 seconds for braking.
That would make it around 7-12 seconds faster than the Chiron 0-249-0.
According to CVK the Regera will spin its wheels at 180mph.
it's a shame the reliability is awful on the themhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DH5j4PYp-o
Also worth bearing in mind that technically the Regera is the new Chirons more direct competitor and from the sounds of it the Regera would destroy the Chiron in a drag race.
The Regera stats are pretty crazy. Rough estimates put it at 0-249mph in 20 seconds. Given the Agera 1 to One record was 17 seconds 0-200-0 broken down as 6.5 seconds braking from 200-0 at a guess the Regera will do 0-249-0 in about 30-35 seconds if we allow 10-15 seconds for braking.
That would make it around 7-12 seconds faster than the Chiron 0-249-0.
According to CVK the Regera will spin its wheels at 180mph.
Edited by frankenstein12 on Monday 11th September 23:25
the bug has traction which might help it vs the Reg
So much hatred for something that might not be the most beautiful thing ever on 4 wheels, but for the fact that you can go from 0-250mph and back again in under a minute, then pop down to the kebab shop without a team of engineers, changing the bodywork, changing the gearing and then doing the same thing, day in, day out and only having to have it serviced every few thousand miles like every other normal car is nothing short of incredible.
The engineering on it must be just mindblowing.
People saying "I'd take a Ferrari over it any day" are missing the point entirely. Anyone that is lucky enough to have one and it be their only "special" car, or something that they bought themselves as a 40/50/60th present for doing well are going to be in a very very small minority, if at all.
The engineering on it must be just mindblowing.
People saying "I'd take a Ferrari over it any day" are missing the point entirely. Anyone that is lucky enough to have one and it be their only "special" car, or something that they bought themselves as a 40/50/60th present for doing well are going to be in a very very small minority, if at all.
TIGA84 said:
So much hatred for something that might not be the most beautiful thing ever on 4 wheels, but for the fact that you can go from 0-250mph and back again in under a minute, then pop down to the kebab shop without a team of engineers, changing the bodywork, changing the gearing and then doing the same thing, day in, day out and only having to have it serviced every few thousand miles like every other normal car is nothing short of incredible.
The engineering on it must be just mindblowing.
People saying "I'd take a Ferrari over it any day" are missing the point entirely. Anyone that is lucky enough to have one and it be their only "special" car, or something that they bought themselves as a 40/50/60th present for doing well are going to be in a very very small minority, if at all.
If the Chiron is the same as the Veyron I don't know of any other ordinary car that needs a new set of tyres every 2.5k miles and a new set of alloy wheels at 7.5k miles plus tyres, or costs £13k or so for it's first service. Normal it is definitely not. The engineering on it must be just mindblowing.
People saying "I'd take a Ferrari over it any day" are missing the point entirely. Anyone that is lucky enough to have one and it be their only "special" car, or something that they bought themselves as a 40/50/60th present for doing well are going to be in a very very small minority, if at all.
At those prices you would expect it to be mindblowing
Monkeylegend said:
If the Chiron is the same as the Veyron I don't know of any other ordinary car that needs a new set of tyres every 2.5k miles and a new set of alloy wheels at 7.5k miles plus tyres, or costs £13k or so for it's first service. Normal it is definitely not.
At those prices you would expect it to be mindblowing
This is true, but comparatively speaking, a £13000 odd service on a £1.8m car is the same % value as your £1500 service on a £200k Ferrari, give or take. Its just scale, which is even more impressive, I'd have though it to be much more.At those prices you would expect it to be mindblowing
Wheels and tyres aside of course but lets not worry about consumables.......
TIGA84 said:
Monkeylegend said:
If the Chiron is the same as the Veyron I don't know of any other ordinary car that needs a new set of tyres every 2.5k miles and a new set of alloy wheels at 7.5k miles plus tyres, or costs £13k or so for it's first service. Normal it is definitely not.
At those prices you would expect it to be mindblowing
This is true, but comparatively speaking, a £13000 odd service on a £1.8m car is the same % value as your £1500 service on a £200k Ferrari, give or take. Its just scale, which is even more impressive, I'd have though it to be much more.At those prices you would expect it to be mindblowing
Wheels and tyres aside of course but lets not worry about consumables.......
I followed a Veyron through London a few years ago in stop start traffic and it seemed like every other normal car in terms of its ability to just poodle around. I even managed to keep up with it in my diesel steed.
Monkeylegend said:
Yipper said:
E65Ross said:
Yipper said:
Roughly 10% faster than an F1 car, for -65% less money...
10% faster at what? Certainly not at going round a race track! Bit of a pointless comparison really....F1 = 232mph
Chiron = 261mph.
An F1 car has a terrible drag coefficient; so much so that it's often said that backing off in an F1 car generates the same deceleration as braking in a normal road car (~1.0g). In terms of the compromise between cornering and straight line performance, they're way way over towards cornering, which is the case for all single seaters on that ladder (so I'm talking GP2, GP3, FR etc and ruling out Indycar).What's remarkable about the Chiron is the ease of use, refinement and fit and finish. I'm sure that Ultima could equal the performance stats, but where Bugatti score is in making it as driveable and usable (money aside!) as a Golf.
TIGA84 said:
So much hatred for something that might not be the most beautiful thing ever on 4 wheels, but for the fact that you can go from 0-250mph and back again in under a minute, then pop down to the kebab shop without a team of engineers, changing the bodywork, changing the gearing and then doing the same thing, day in, day out and only having to have it serviced every few thousand miles like every other normal car is nothing short of incredible.
The engineering on it must be just mindblowing.
People saying "I'd take a Ferrari over it any day" are missing the point entirely. Anyone that is lucky enough to have one and it be their only "special" car, or something that they bought themselves as a 40/50/60th present for doing well are going to be in a very very small minority, if at all.
Not sure its hatred, but maybe its a question of relevance. I don't know of anywhere here in the UK or London where I could do 250 mph and then pop down to a kebab shop, without being killed by traffic.The engineering on it must be just mindblowing.
People saying "I'd take a Ferrari over it any day" are missing the point entirely. Anyone that is lucky enough to have one and it be their only "special" car, or something that they bought themselves as a 40/50/60th present for doing well are going to be in a very very small minority, if at all.
If you do, then more power to you, and feel free to buy this and post up the video of your achievement.
WCZ said:
frankenstein12 said:
Well this is the video of the old Bug against the Agera R. Bear in mind this is the R not the more powerful 1 to One.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DH5j4PYp-o
Also worth bearing in mind that technically the Regera is the new Chirons more direct competitor and from the sounds of it the Regera would destroy the Chiron in a drag race.
The Regera stats are pretty crazy. Rough estimates put it at 0-249mph in 20 seconds. Given the Agera 1 to One record was 17 seconds 0-200-0 broken down as 6.5 seconds braking from 200-0 at a guess the Regera will do 0-249-0 in about 30-35 seconds if we allow 10-15 seconds for braking.
That would make it around 7-12 seconds faster than the Chiron 0-249-0.
According to CVK the Regera will spin its wheels at 180mph.
it's a shame the reliability is awful on the themhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DH5j4PYp-o
Also worth bearing in mind that technically the Regera is the new Chirons more direct competitor and from the sounds of it the Regera would destroy the Chiron in a drag race.
The Regera stats are pretty crazy. Rough estimates put it at 0-249mph in 20 seconds. Given the Agera 1 to One record was 17 seconds 0-200-0 broken down as 6.5 seconds braking from 200-0 at a guess the Regera will do 0-249-0 in about 30-35 seconds if we allow 10-15 seconds for braking.
That would make it around 7-12 seconds faster than the Chiron 0-249-0.
According to CVK the Regera will spin its wheels at 180mph.
Edited by frankenstein12 on Monday 11th September 23:25
the bug has traction which might help it vs the Reg
Unfortunately their reliability reputation was tarnished again by a petulant and disgruntled US owner who decided to launch a big rant online and anywhere else he could over an Agera he had ordered which had some issues which were related to the car being rush finished to get it to the states.
I think we need to differentiate between indifference and 'hatred' . All most of us are doing most of the time is exchanging opinions . I may think the Chiron , like the Veyron is an absurd folly - and thus not something to covet- but the fact that such daftness exists at all is worthy of celebration.
Somebody asked what a modern Type 35 would look like and that is a bloody good question. It wouldn't be an elephantine Chiron , that is clear , but what the hell would it be and what would it have ? Lightness , compact dimensions , exquisite looks and a lot of speed - round corners and down the straights. Still struggling - closest I can come to is the 40 year old Stratos or the quickest of the Elise/ Exige clan . But neither's quite there - struggling !
Somebody asked what a modern Type 35 would look like and that is a bloody good question. It wouldn't be an elephantine Chiron , that is clear , but what the hell would it be and what would it have ? Lightness , compact dimensions , exquisite looks and a lot of speed - round corners and down the straights. Still struggling - closest I can come to is the 40 year old Stratos or the quickest of the Elise/ Exige clan . But neither's quite there - struggling !
coppice said:
I think we need to differentiate between indifference and 'hatred' . All most of us are doing most of the time is exchanging opinions . I may think the Chiron , like the Veyron is an absurd folly - and thus not something to covet- but the fact that such daftness exists at all is worthy of celebration.
Somebody asked what a modern Type 35 would look like and that is a bloody good question. It wouldn't be an elephantine Chiron , that is clear , but what the hell would it be and what would it have ? Lightness , compact dimensions , exquisite looks and a lot of speed - round corners and down the straights. Still struggling - closest I can come to is the 40 year old Stratos or the quickest of the Elise/ Exige clan . But neither's quite there - struggling !
Somebody asked what a modern Type 35 would look like and that is a bloody good question. It wouldn't be an elephantine Chiron , that is clear , but what the hell would it be and what would it have ? Lightness , compact dimensions , exquisite looks and a lot of speed - round corners and down the straights. Still struggling - closest I can come to is the 40 year old Stratos or the quickest of the Elise/ Exige clan . But neither's quite there - struggling !
I think I speak for a lot of people in that I have a lot of respect and interest in Bugatti's Veyron and Chiron, but no real lust for them. I wouldn't go out of my way to drive one for example, whereas I would cross the country to drive a new Lotus and cross the world to drive a McLaren F1 or Pagani Zonda. For me, the Chiron is like the latest robot or TV - I have a keen engineering interest, but not a driving/automotive interest in one. Out of interest, that's how I feel about most VAG cars, so Bugatti fits the family well in that respect.I too don't think there's any modern equivalent of Bugatti's original creations like the Type 35. If Pagani built an Elise it might get close I suppose?
Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 12th September 15:59
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