RE: Porsche 911 GT3 Touring - Frankfurt 2017
Discussion
Struggling to get excited about this one. It looks exactly the same as the past 10 models. And it's not even particularly fast or light. Just looks like price-gouging by Porsche.
Quite how the 911R got bid up to £300-400k is bizarre. It's not even the best-handling car in its class. The AMG GT R has the same power-to-weight ratio, but it absolutely destroys the 911R in a straight line and on the track (e.g. 3secs a lap faster round Hockenheim).
Quite how the 911R got bid up to £300-400k is bizarre. It's not even the best-handling car in its class. The AMG GT R has the same power-to-weight ratio, but it absolutely destroys the 911R in a straight line and on the track (e.g. 3secs a lap faster round Hockenheim).
Yipper said:
Struggling to get excited about this one. It looks exactly the same as the past 10 models. And it's not even particularly fast or light. Just looks like price-gouging by Porsche.
Quite how the 911R got bid up to £300-400k is bizarre. It's not even the best-handling car in its class. The AMG GT R has the same power-to-weight ratio, but it absolutely destroys the 911R in a straight line and on the track (e.g. 3secs a lap faster round Hockenheim).
Are you professionally obtuse? That is not the point of the 911R, lap times and power was the GT3's bag.Quite how the 911R got bid up to £300-400k is bizarre. It's not even the best-handling car in its class. The AMG GT R has the same power-to-weight ratio, but it absolutely destroys the 911R in a straight line and on the track (e.g. 3secs a lap faster round Hockenheim).
Does this come with a ducktail?
rb26 said:
It does appear that the modern 911 bubble is stabilising a bit. I believe a GT3RS 4.0 from Germany sold for sub £290,000 in a recent auction and a GT2RS (same country) for under £210,000. Things might move south more strongly once interest rates increase.
I don't think that's an accurate reflection of the market, the GT2 RS had about 37k miles on the clock and I believe the GT3 4.0 had about 10k and these cars are highly mileage sensitive. There is still a strong market for the lower mileage cars.Yipper said:
Struggling to get excited about this one. It looks exactly the same as the past 10 models. And it's not even particularly fast or light. Just looks like price-gouging by Porsche.
Quite how the 911R got bid up to £300-400k is bizarre. It's not even the best-handling car in its class. The AMG GT R has the same power-to-weight ratio, but it absolutely destroys the 911R in a straight line and on the track (e.g. 3secs a lap faster round Hockenheim).
AMG GT R and 911R are totally different type of cars. GTR is for track. 911R is for fast roadQuite how the 911R got bid up to £300-400k is bizarre. It's not even the best-handling car in its class. The AMG GT R has the same power-to-weight ratio, but it absolutely destroys the 911R in a straight line and on the track (e.g. 3secs a lap faster round Hockenheim).
PhantomPH said:
Mattygooner said:
Does this come with a ducktail?
Ooo that's a good thought. I was actually of the opinion that I would rather have a 'proper' GT3 with spoiler etc, but this with the ducktail...Cheib said:
It's a package because it's an option on the GT3....in the same way the Clubsport Package is (rear cage, four point harness etc)
So I am afraid that this is not a new model it's just an option on the already sold out GT3. Well to be precise all the allocations/cars OPC expect to get are sold/allocated. If the production run is extended there may be more cars but most OPC's have a list of (existing) customers waiting for them
Whilst it's entirely up to you to not want any other Porsche products it's also up to Porsche who they allocate cars to when they have three times as many customers as cars. I am sure in whatever business you are in you look to build relationships with customers that are most valuable to you....Porsche haven't covered themselves in glory in the past but I think some OPC's are pretty straight. The one I deal with is the best car dealer in terms of across the board service I've dealt with in 25 years of buying cars.
That's as I expected, then.So I am afraid that this is not a new model it's just an option on the already sold out GT3. Well to be precise all the allocations/cars OPC expect to get are sold/allocated. If the production run is extended there may be more cars but most OPC's have a list of (existing) customers waiting for them
Whilst it's entirely up to you to not want any other Porsche products it's also up to Porsche who they allocate cars to when they have three times as many customers as cars. I am sure in whatever business you are in you look to build relationships with customers that are most valuable to you....Porsche haven't covered themselves in glory in the past but I think some OPC's are pretty straight. The one I deal with is the best car dealer in terms of across the board service I've dealt with in 25 years of buying cars.
I don't disagree with Porsche dealers looking after people who spent a lot of money with them; they'd be mad not to.
However, from my perspective, I won't build a relationship by spending money on stuff I don't want.
It's not the dealers' problem either if they are oversubscribed for the product. It would be if nobody wanted the other stuff but it's mostly SUVs that they sell these days so it all works commercially for them.
Carl_Manchester said:
Matt Bird said:
greggy50 said:
Lovely all sold out already I assume?
the car isn't limited production and will continue to be made. Matt
Any thoughts ?
Im always a little puzzled by the hate shwn towards OPC's in the last 16 years I have bought 14 new cars the last one being a Porsche and truthfully I didnt have a problem in fact its fair to say that they were probally the best to deal with in my exprience , I walked in off the street made an enquiry they got back to me within 24hrs said I could have a car for a day to test and in all dealings since have treated very well , admittedly I wasnt buying anything exotic (boxster 981 GTS) and it may have been differant if I was (or trying to) but as others have said it makes sense that valued customers get VIP treatment
Charlie_1 said:
Im always a little puzzled by the hate shwn towards OPC's in the last 16 years I have bought 14 new cars the last one being a Porsche and truthfully I didnt have a problem in fact its fair to say that they were probally the best to deal with in my exprience , I walked in off the street made an enquiry they got back to me within 24hrs said I could have a car for a day to test and in all dealings since have treated very well , admittedly I wasnt buying anything exotic (boxster 981 GTS) and it may have been differant if I was (or trying to) but as others have said it makes sense that valued customers get VIP treatment
"we can get you a slot of the new gt2 if you sell your current rs back to us at list (50+k below market value and what they'd resell at)"this is what's wrong with OPC's atm.
patch5674 said:
God that interior looks awful without touch of leather on the dash.
Also, fabric seats are starting to take the piss a bit.
Although this is a wider trend - apparently millennials (of which I am) don't want leather in cars. That is why the Velar launched with some sort of 'technical fabric' as the standard interior.
So it costs the same as a "base" GT3, but do you then have to add leather dash, seats etc. which are standard in the "base" GT3, therefore making the Touring pack more expensive?Also, fabric seats are starting to take the piss a bit.
Although this is a wider trend - apparently millennials (of which I am) don't want leather in cars. That is why the Velar launched with some sort of 'technical fabric' as the standard interior.
g7jhp said:
Looks great. Get some hounds tooth seats.
Can you spec rear seats being a Touring?
Be interesting to see if 996 and 997 GT3 (especially Comfort spec) owners chop in their cars for a 991.2 GT3 Touring.
More vehicles in the marketplace can only be good for enthusiasts.
No i wouldnt chop mine in for one, its not hard to make a tourer using an older GT3.Can you spec rear seats being a Touring?
Be interesting to see if 996 and 997 GT3 (especially Comfort spec) owners chop in their cars for a 991.2 GT3 Touring.
More vehicles in the marketplace can only be good for enthusiasts.
All you need is either the pop-up spoiler from the normal C2 or ducktail (yes the underside of the spoiler needs to be the GT3 underside as they are different), and a retrim and job done.
You could then add some rear seats in the 996 or 997.1 if you wanted to make it more of a tourer or add a cage for a more gentlemans racer type
Aes87 said:
another day, another ludicrously expensive 911 that everyone is obsessed with
boring, makes 911s uncool, owned by wealthy uncool people
I no longer aspire to 911 ownership
Seriously how cheap are they supposed to sell it - in the U.K. It is already cheap relatively speaking - is it supposed to be Ford Focus pricing - never was and never will be boring, makes 911s uncool, owned by wealthy uncool people
I no longer aspire to 911 ownership
And why are people uncool just because they made/have more money than others - as far as I remember they were never a cheap car for the masses ....
WCZ said:
Charlie_1 said:
Im always a little puzzled by the hate shwn towards OPC's in the last 16 years I have bought 14 new cars the last one being a Porsche and truthfully I didnt have a problem in fact its fair to say that they were probally the best to deal with in my exprience , I walked in off the street made an enquiry they got back to me within 24hrs said I could have a car for a day to test and in all dealings since have treated very well , admittedly I wasnt buying anything exotic (boxster 981 GTS) and it may have been differant if I was (or trying to) but as others have said it makes sense that valued customers get VIP treatment
"we can get you a slot of the new gt2 if you sell your current rs back to us at list (50+k below market value and what they'd resell at)"this is what's wrong with OPC's atm.
lemmingjames said:
g7jhp said:
Looks great. Get some hounds tooth seats.
Can you spec rear seats being a Touring?
Be interesting to see if 996 and 997 GT3 (especially Comfort spec) owners chop in their cars for a 991.2 GT3 Touring.
More vehicles in the marketplace can only be good for enthusiasts.
No i wouldnt chop mine in for one, its not hard to make a tourer using an older GT3.Can you spec rear seats being a Touring?
Be interesting to see if 996 and 997 GT3 (especially Comfort spec) owners chop in their cars for a 991.2 GT3 Touring.
More vehicles in the marketplace can only be good for enthusiasts.
All you need is either the pop-up spoiler from the normal C2 or ducktail (yes the underside of the spoiler needs to be the GT3 underside as they are different), and a retrim and job done.
You could then add some rear seats in the 996 or 997.1 if you wanted to make it more of a tourer or add a cage for a more gentlemans racer type
And from memory in a 997mrear seats not so easy due to thinner floor or some such thing
I really like the idea of this, shame about the rear seats though, these would have made the car a real "Touring" package
However this seems really pointless...
"Look at this option you can have, on a sold out car..."
They should have just sent this around to the people who have the allocation, no point any of us seeing it!
I cant afford one anyway like, but that not the point.
However this seems really pointless...
"Look at this option you can have, on a sold out car..."
They should have just sent this around to the people who have the allocation, no point any of us seeing it!
I cant afford one anyway like, but that not the point.
MDL111 said:
In the U.K. Maybe, in Germany you will have trouble with TÜV - you can't even put bucket seats into a car that came without them without going through an annoying approval process for modified cars
And from memory in a 997mrear seats not so easy due to thinner floor or some such thing
Oh dear how sad, good job im not in Germany.And from memory in a 997mrear seats not so easy due to thinner floor or some such thing
though a chap who is modifying his 996 C2 with lots of custom parts os going through TUV approval for alot of parts so he can sell. If i was German and i wanted to go through the process to get something i wanted then i would. He posts on here if you care to look and follow his thread
America doesnt have an issue with modding either and are more active id say than the Euro lot.
996 and 997.1's you could do rear seats, 997.2's you couldnt. I was lead to believe that in the 991.1 you couldnt either but someone on here has installed them
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