Please Drive Fast Through The Village
Discussion
oyster said:
Is this reported anywhere? Or is it in some Oxfordshire council website somewhere?
It isn't is it?
You made it up?
Oxfordshire are hardly going to publicise it are they. It was someone working for the police that told me, not sure if he was actually a constable or an accident investigator or traffic engineer.It isn't is it?
You made it up?
There are plenty of well documented examples of raising speed limits to a more enforceable level either reducing average speeds, or increasing averages slightly but reducing peak speeds and accidents.
Which is why limits used to be set according to the 85th rule, a practice only changed because local authorities wanted lower limits for their own sake.
NickCQ said:
Interesting scenario. From google maps I think it would be obvious to most of us that a speed of no more than 30 is appropriate on that section.
However, if people could be trusted to exercise their judgement and drive safely, we wouldn't need speed limits anywhere. I think putting in a 30 limit makes perfect sense, if only to stop those who see the limit as a target.
This last category are the biggest idiots, of course - they don't carry out any independent assessment of what a safe speed must be, preferring blindly to stick to the limit. They are probably the same vigilantes that enjoy blocking the middle and outside lanes of motorways at 69.999 mph to save all of us who want to go a little faster from ourselves.
This attitude is becoming ingrained. I read another PH thread where a driver that had spun off in the rain was exonerated from dangerous driving as it couldn't be proven that they were over the speed limit. Which is crazy when you think about what dangerous driving really means.
Agree with this post.However, if people could be trusted to exercise their judgement and drive safely, we wouldn't need speed limits anywhere. I think putting in a 30 limit makes perfect sense, if only to stop those who see the limit as a target.
This last category are the biggest idiots, of course - they don't carry out any independent assessment of what a safe speed must be, preferring blindly to stick to the limit. They are probably the same vigilantes that enjoy blocking the middle and outside lanes of motorways at 69.999 mph to save all of us who want to go a little faster from ourselves.
This attitude is becoming ingrained. I read another PH thread where a driver that had spun off in the rain was exonerated from dangerous driving as it couldn't be proven that they were over the speed limit. Which is crazy when you think about what dangerous driving really means.
Brainwashing the masses , we are going to have zombie drivers soon!
xjay1337 said:
NickCQ said:
Interesting scenario. From google maps I think it would be obvious to most of us that a speed of no more than 30 is appropriate on that section.
However, if people could be trusted to exercise their judgement and drive safely, we wouldn't need speed limits anywhere. I think putting in a 30 limit makes perfect sense, if only to stop those who see the limit as a target.
This last category are the biggest idiots, of course - they don't carry out any independent assessment of what a safe speed must be, preferring blindly to stick to the limit. They are probably the same vigilantes that enjoy blocking the middle and outside lanes of motorways at 69.999 mph to save all of us who want to go a little faster from ourselves.
This attitude is becoming ingrained. I read another PH thread where a driver that had spun off in the rain was exonerated from dangerous driving as it couldn't be proven that they were over the speed limit. Which is crazy when you think about what dangerous driving really means.
Agree with this post.However, if people could be trusted to exercise their judgement and drive safely, we wouldn't need speed limits anywhere. I think putting in a 30 limit makes perfect sense, if only to stop those who see the limit as a target.
This last category are the biggest idiots, of course - they don't carry out any independent assessment of what a safe speed must be, preferring blindly to stick to the limit. They are probably the same vigilantes that enjoy blocking the middle and outside lanes of motorways at 69.999 mph to save all of us who want to go a little faster from ourselves.
This attitude is becoming ingrained. I read another PH thread where a driver that had spun off in the rain was exonerated from dangerous driving as it couldn't be proven that they were over the speed limit. Which is crazy when you think about what dangerous driving really means.
Brainwashing the masses , we are going to have zombie drivers soon!
It says putting in a 30 limit would stop those who see the limit as a target
Yet without the limit, speeds average around 25mph, because most people do what the opening sentence says - assess whats reasonable
Surely the most likely outcome is that a 30 limit will let them know that 30 has been decided reasonable, 30 becomes the target and the average speeds go up.
If it ain't broke, why try fixing it?
In all honesty when speed limits are forced on areas where there isn't really a problem, it's because someone there knows someone on the council and/or plays golf with the right people.
Interestingly though, there was a speed check done in a village called Feckenham near Redditch, after complaints from residents about speeding drivers. The results of the this showed that upwards of 90% of the people speeding through the village actually lived there, it's seems to me the problem wasn't speeding drivers, it was the stuck up locals not liking other people driving through their village.
Sa Calobra said:
If you know Salendine Nook in Huddersfield how hairy can it be pulling from say Laundry road (30) onto the fast NSL?
Too hairy and that road should be a 40 max.
Laundry Road? Laund Road before autocorrect had its way...Too hairy and that road should be a 40 max.
The other road is presumably Lindley Moor Road, and it is now 40mph.
s m said:
Willy Nilly said:
I was brought up in Shropshire, but don't know Cound that well.
I now live on the main drag through a village in Essexshire and give zero f
ks about how fast people drive past my house. Zero, zilch, nothing. Go as fast as you like.
Anyone that lives on a arterial route and complains about traffic should be dragged from their house
I biked through there on Sunday - it's not on a main road ( the A458 bypasses the main village ) and I really can't see a problem with a 30 limit - it never used to have one but you'd be hard pressed to take the bend by the tennis club much quucker anyway - short straight and you're up to a T junction anywayI now live on the main drag through a village in Essexshire and give zero f
ks about how fast people drive past my house. Zero, zilch, nothing. Go as fast as you like. Anyone that lives on a arterial route and complains about traffic should be dragged from their house
The original plan was for a blanked limit across the area but the council was obliged by the locals to treat Cound and Upper Cound separately, leaving the roads past some houses and over the iron bridge as NSL, as the locals didn't like the idea of the council wildly applying 30mph limits everywhere.
I'm as puzzled as Mr Vega is above as to the point.
Blakewater said:
The 30mph limit makes no practical difference, but time and money has been spent on implementing it just because it's a village, even though the only people being controlled are those driving to their own houses.
The original plan was for a blanked limit across the area but the council was obliged by the locals to treat Cound and Upper Cound separately, leaving the roads past some houses and over the iron bridge as NSL, as the locals didn't like the idea of the council wildly applying 30mph limits everywhere.
I'm as puzzled as Mr Vega is above as to the point.
Local to the area I can't say I'm particularly surprised or bothered about the 30mph limit through the villages. As you say, most people are self-regulating with regard to commonsense etc re speed through there. There's plenty of de restricted roads linking up the villages round there I wouldn't want to travel at the legal maximum either and a 30 limit through a non A/B road village seems pretty much the normThe original plan was for a blanked limit across the area but the council was obliged by the locals to treat Cound and Upper Cound separately, leaving the roads past some houses and over the iron bridge as NSL, as the locals didn't like the idea of the council wildly applying 30mph limits everywhere.
I'm as puzzled as Mr Vega is above as to the point.
However I can think of several recent 50 limits in the area that seem superfluous.
Probably like the old issue at school, a few spoil it for the many
Along with about 20 other families I live along a mile or so bit of NSL twisty countryside road (40mph max safe speed - 200m max visibility) leading up a 30mph village. We've recently had the whole mile stretch reduced to 30mph to match the village yet, without enforcement, everyone still does the 40mph they did previously as thats what feels like a "safe" speed, rather than the new 30mph limit which makes the new limit feel a bit pointless. Especially as it doesn't prevent those morons who did 60mph+ before the limit change "because it was legal" (despite a few deaths over the years of people going faster than is safe before hitting a tractor etc) from doing 60mph+ today.
Living on a 30 limit road for the first time this last year has been illuminating. It is rightly 30- built up , sheltered housing down the road and kids playground on opposite side to the estate of houses where I live . Most people do 25-35mph I'd guess ; some do up to 45 especially when they can see the derestriction sign 150 m ahead . I can live with that.
What I can't live with are those who see the sign in the distance and floor it, entering the NSL zone already at 60 mph plus and in the case of the occasional convoy of the usual suspects- Evos and Imprezas , GTRs and M3s etc - at Christ knows what speed . There seems to be widespread delusion amongst owners that driving a quick car endows the driver with exemption from what is socially acceptable. I don't give a damn how fast they go on the unpopulated road beyond but I'd be very happy for somebody have the book thrown at them for driving like wkers in a built up and busy area . Oddly enough the bikers are far , far more responsible
What I can't live with are those who see the sign in the distance and floor it, entering the NSL zone already at 60 mph plus and in the case of the occasional convoy of the usual suspects- Evos and Imprezas , GTRs and M3s etc - at Christ knows what speed . There seems to be widespread delusion amongst owners that driving a quick car endows the driver with exemption from what is socially acceptable. I don't give a damn how fast they go on the unpopulated road beyond but I'd be very happy for somebody have the book thrown at them for driving like w
kers in a built up and busy area . Oddly enough the bikers are far , far more responsible IanH755 said:
Along with about 20 other families I live along a mile or so bit of NSL twisty countryside road (40mph max safe speed - 200m max visibility) leading up a 30mph village. We've recently had the whole mile stretch reduced to 30mph to match the village yet, without enforcement, everyone still does the 40mph they did previously as thats what feels like a "safe" speed, rather than the new 30mph limit which makes the new limit feel a bit pointless. Especially as it doesn't prevent those morons who did 60mph+ before the limit change "because it was legal" (despite a few deaths over the years of people going faster than is safe before hitting a tractor etc) from doing 60mph+ today.
That's because most drivers do 40-42 mph in every limit, i'm betting they don't even slow down for the original 30 limit either.Also because of the above, the people who want to drive at 60 in an NSL, get frustrated by such incompetence and take risks they would otherwise not normally take, especially if they know there is nowhere to overtake for several miles.
The real problem is those who hold everyone up, using "driving safely" as an excuse for their inattention and incompetence.
Duke of Kidderminster said:
Why would you want to drive at NSL speeds through a village?
Also - if it bothers you then just get a motorbike. They all ignore the 30 limit through my small village - I guess it doesn't apply to them.
Any proper village will have at least a 40 limit, it's the people who live in those lone houses half a mile out that complain, but I don't think a limit should be extended half a mile just to accommodate one or two homes.Also - if it bothers you then just get a motorbike. They all ignore the 30 limit through my small village - I guess it doesn't apply to them.
Duke of Kidderminster said:
Why would you want to drive at NSL speeds through a village?
Wrong end of stick firmly grabbedWhat you'll find is that villages with NSL limits ( and assuming they dont have something like a dual carriageway going through them) don't have general traffic at NSL speeds
As the OP quoted from the Council website, speeds were in their twenties
As other knowledgable posters have said, putting a 30 limit on it, although it might seem the think to do ignores the laws of forseeable unforseeable consequences, i.e. people using 30 as a target speed to drive, and these days, if they've put a 30 limit on it 35 must be ok.
You could almost go to William Hill with the chances of traffic speeds going up
saaby93 said:
2010 48 reductions and 5 increases reported here
http://www.citylocal.co.uk/Oxford/news-in-Oxford/s...
I understood that a large amount of the NSL to 50mph limits changes in Oxfordshire were done so the road could be reclassified for maintenance priorities . http://www.citylocal.co.uk/Oxford/news-in-Oxford/s...
Oxford is very anti-car generally
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