RE: Megane Renault Sport IV - Frankfurt 2017
Discussion
GPH said:
I agree it's better to offer the choice than just one model like a Type R for example. e.g Carrera S, GTS, GT3, GT3 RS etc....Although the Cup chassis is hugely capable for the EVO triangle type roads, the standard Sport chassis is still hugely capable and better for urban driving and accounted for about 50% of sales when it was an option on Clio 182.
In a video released today someone from Renault Sport said the 2019 Trophy will have the headline grabbing 300hp with a further modified Cup chassis with limited slip dif etc so there will then be 3 models. Also the standard Sport model means a cheaper price than the fully kitted out car or most competitors so you get R.S. engineering excellence at a lower price as not everyone has an unlimited budget for the model with all the kit.
That's interesting. In a video released today someone from Renault Sport said the 2019 Trophy will have the headline grabbing 300hp with a further modified Cup chassis with limited slip dif etc so there will then be 3 models. Also the standard Sport model means a cheaper price than the fully kitted out car or most competitors so you get R.S. engineering excellence at a lower price as not everyone has an unlimited budget for the model with all the kit.
I'd be surprised if it was positioned as a 3rd model though, rather than just a special edition - the spec of which becomes the standard 'Cup' 6 months later as per Renault's usual policy.
culpz said:
anonymous said:
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Yeah it's always been around £1300, which is a bit daft. For that reason, not many get specced so it becomes a rare colour. You know the rest, ect.I hope Alien Green makes a return but it always seems to be a discontinued colour and not very popular, so they end up scrapping it. Ultimate Green on the MK2 Focus RS and Viper Green on the MK3 Scirocco, as other examples.
It is also very difficult to get a great deep yellow as opposed to a horrible flat yellow which is why only Renault and Mercedes seem to offer it as a "regular colour" (and sure Bentley, McLaren, Aston can if you pay) and the Mercedes solar beam yellow is identical to liquid yellow in everyway except price.
Mercedes used to charge £10,695 on the GT and Black series cars because that was about 10% of the cost of the car so they got away with it. Now they have reduced it to £7,500 to try and sell a few more. That's still thousands more than it costs them
Therefore £1,300 is a bargain
KPB1973 said:
That's interesting.
I'd be surprised if it was positioned as a 3rd model though, rather than just a special edition - the spec of which becomes the standard 'Cup' 6 months later as per Renault's usual policy.
You are right, they did that with the original Megane 225 Trophy to launch the cup chassis back in about 2004 but since then with the Megane III 265/275 Trophy and the current Clio 220 Trophy they are permanent members of the range not limited in numbers. The Clio has been out a couple of years and even has the same 20hp lift over the regular 200 that they are doing with this new Megane.I'd be surprised if it was positioned as a 3rd model though, rather than just a special edition - the spec of which becomes the standard 'Cup' 6 months later as per Renault's usual policy.
GPH said:
You are right, they did that with the original Megane 225 Trophy to launch the cup chassis back in about 2004 but since then with the Megane III 265/275 Trophy and the current Clio 220 Trophy they are permanent members of the range not limited in numbers. The Clio has been out a couple of years and even has the same 20hp lift over the regular 200 that they are doing with this new Megane.
Sorry but I think the 265 Trophy was a 500 limited run (50 in the UK) and from memory the 275 Trophy was too. A quick scan of EVO, Autocar, Car etc confirms my normally-addled memory.Plus there wasn't a 250 Trophy in the first few years of the MK3's lifetime, nor could you buy one in the last 12 months or so of MK3 production (I think...).
Agree the Clio Trophy is a permanent fixture, so you could be right that they'll do the same with the Megane,
KPB1973 said:
GPH said:
You are right, they did that with the original Megane 225 Trophy to launch the cup chassis back in about 2004 but since then with the Megane III 265/275 Trophy and the current Clio 220 Trophy they are permanent members of the range not limited in numbers. The Clio has been out a couple of years and even has the same 20hp lift over the regular 200 that they are doing with this new Megane.
Sorry but I think the 265 Trophy was a 500 limited run (50 in the UK) and from memory the 275 Trophy was too. A quick scan of EVO, Autocar, Car etc confirms my normally-addled memory.Plus there wasn't a 250 Trophy in the first few years of the MK3's lifetime, nor could you buy one in the last 12 months or so of MK3 production (I think...).
Agree the Clio Trophy is a permanent fixture, so you could be right that they'll do the same with the Megane,
No there wasn't a 250 Trophy at the beginning of the mk3 as they had already moved onto the 265 by the introduction of the Trophy spec? The 275 Trophy was discontinued so they could bring in a much lower price Cup-S run out model for the last year which then had most of the Trophy spec available as options so you could pick and choose what you want.
Edited by GPH on Tuesday 12th September 15:20
KPB1973 said:
Thank you, much appreciated. The videos floating around (i.e. Evo's) show them pretty clearly too. Sutcliffe says they're the same as the GT's. They look more attractive than the MK3's boggo ones.
They look good to me. The seats on my Clio Trophy are just as supportive as the old Recaros in my 250, but a bit softer and include the heating elements (which you couldn't have with the old Recaros). If the new seats are similar then they'll do the job well.GPH said:
No there wasn't a 250 Trophy at the beginning of the mk3 as they had already moved onto the 265 by the introduction of the Trophy spec?
The 265 Trophy overlapped with the late-250 cars. The power hike to the standard cars came afterwards.You're right on the 275 Trophy not being a ltd edition though.
(Sorry for the thread drift)
WCZ said:
IanCress said:
If the following lines don't appear in the reviews for the new Megane RS, i'll eat my hat:
"The Megane has grown up"
"Much more refined"
"Lost it's dynamic edge"
"We'll wait for the cup/trophy version"
"Needs an extra 20bhp"
hahaha, so true!"The Megane has grown up"
"Much more refined"
"Lost it's dynamic edge"
"We'll wait for the cup/trophy version"
"Needs an extra 20bhp"
Furthermore... this car is just one example of the golden age of motoring in which we live at the moment. Sure, horsepower grabs headlines. But there are many permutations to performance, and we today have diverse slices on offer.
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