RE: Megane Renault Sport IV - Frankfurt 2017
Discussion
anonymous said:
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I wouldn't have expected complaints about being offered a V8, but you make a good point about naturally-aspirated fours and sixes. That's down to tighter regulations on emissions and fuel economy. We are indeed missing one or two things which, decades ago, were fairly common.But we've also gained so very much.
The Golden Age
The argument that I would put forth in favour of a golden age of motoring is that:
- Today's OEMs are more attuned than ever before to the wishes of diverse performance communities whilst the aftermarket has never been larger and the professional tuner never more capable and affordable. As an aside, the US market seems to be somewhat interested in ensuring that manual transmissions are offered in performance cars.
- The oceans that traditionally isolated performance by continent have never been smaller than today.
- The small-scale builder is being ever-more democratised through ventures such as Local Motors, Factory Five and others.
- The presence of online communities and digital resources only propagates and magnifies the preceding such that ideas and opportunities are formulated and distributed among performance-minded folks like never before.
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unsprung said:
- Today's OEMs are more attuned than ever before to the wishes of diverse performance communities
Some hot hatches have become so close to sports cars, what with sophisticated kinematics, high torsional rigidity, high performance brakes. Others can be used for comfort on long distances. Not to mention that some are so close to track ready out of the box.
There is something for everyone in my opinion and I would agree this is a golden era compared to 10 or 20 years ago.
Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 12th September 17:55
I like this a lot. I don't know much about the previous models but this one seems like a good choice for people who want something that is more interesting/leftfield than the Golf GTI but not as insane as the Civic Type R.
I was looking at a Megane GT (which I guess is the "warm hatch" version) the other day and was quite impressed. I might take a test drive at some point.
I was looking at a Megane GT (which I guess is the "warm hatch" version) the other day and was quite impressed. I might take a test drive at some point.
hondansx said:
I can beat LY; i saw a 182 the other day it was I believe was called 'Petrol Blue'. Oh so subtle, but incredible depth.
Was that available again for any other Renault Sport model?
It was available on the Clio V6, but not 1 was sold in the UK. I'm not sure for abroad, I have a feeling there may be 1 out there.Was that available again for any other Renault Sport model?
As for the Megane, like it as an all rounder. I'll wait for the Trophy version to see if I go for one. Almost seems perfect for the family that can double up as a B road/track weapon. Ideally it would allow me to get another Clio V6 for sunny days and no kids too...
I think it looks good although I think they are aiming a bit towards the purchasers of Golfs as it is quite restrained. Saying that it looks100 times better than a civic, time will tell if it drives as well as one.
I do wonder if 280bhp is enough though, my R26 has around 260bhp and I reckon it would be more fun with nearer 300 and its a fair bit lighter than this. I guess either the engine isn't good for much more or they don't want to overwhelm the chassis.
I do wonder if 280bhp is enough though, my R26 has around 260bhp and I reckon it would be more fun with nearer 300 and its a fair bit lighter than this. I guess either the engine isn't good for much more or they don't want to overwhelm the chassis.
anonymous said:
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No its because tougher regulations are pushing manufacturers to make supposedly more efficient cars. If manufacturers dont do this they will lose market share to others who do. Consumers choices are more limited and they buy what is available. Also lots of people like the shove of a Turbo, nothing wrong with that.BTW cant say ive ever heard anyone refer to an NA engine as a nasp before.
Ahbefive said:
DoubleD said:
Or more likely they are slotting it into a lower tax band.
Possibly in some countries but it makes next to no difference in the UK. I think its down to either the engine or chassis not being up to it (from a manufacturers point of view).nickfrog said:
unsprung said:
- Today's OEMs are more attuned than ever before to the wishes of diverse performance communities
Some hot hatches have become so close to sports cars, what with sophisticated kinematics, high torsional rigidity, high performance brakes. Others can be used for comfort on long distances. Not to mention that some are so close to track ready out of the box.
There is something for everyone in my opinion and I would agree this is a golden era compared to 10 or 20 years ago.
Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 12th September 17:55
Cheers.
nickfrog said:
True. I was hoping for 1.4t EU in manual and the lightest rims, lightest option configuration (inc Recaros), but that's probably not realistic in light of the GT weight - I don't know what engine the GT has though as I am also hoping the 1.8 aluminium will lighten the front end compared to the old 2.0 iron thing. I think the 4-wheel steer add quite a lot of weight too...
Still I think it looks great and very understated. It will be even more invisible in grey, perfect for me, not that looks bother me that much.
Yup, I think it would actually look good in plain old silver (now that nobody orders 'resale silver' any more). Styling overall is really neat I think. The Honda is ace but I'd really have a problem with the fake vent mesh on the rear arches Still I think it looks great and very understated. It will be even more invisible in grey, perfect for me, not that looks bother me that much.
. Engine in the GT is the same they use in the Clio RS which should be fairly modern / alloy already. But the 4WS is present on the GT as far as I know. So body work, slightly bigger engine, any additional kit plus the wheels should make the weight difference. Not going to be a feather weight, but neither was the M3RS and everybody knows how good that was.
The wheels would have to go for me personally, I just don't like that multicolored stuff everybody is doing now. Some Sparco Assetos or Proline PXFs perhaps. Probably lighter as well, think Renault would have told us if the new RS had forged Fuchses like they put on the Alpine.
Only slight dilemma for me is that the diff is tied to the 'performance' pack. Would be nice to have MT, diff and the softer suspension as an option. Speaking of suspension -- this is supposed to come with 'rally inspired' dampers with hydraulic bump stops? Anyone knows more?
Kolbenkopp said:
Speaking of suspension -- this is supposed to come with 'rally inspired' dampers with hydraulic bump stops? Anyone knows more?
The same type they've been fitting to the Clio 200/220 since launch.Comparing the ride of the 220 Trophy to my old Megane 250, it's much firmer (expected for anything with Trophy in the title), but when you're really going on a rough road, the ride does feel smoother and less crashy than the Megane did. (not that there was anything wrong with the Megane, but the Clio does feel like a bit of a step up).
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