Near Theft of my S3
Discussion
IJB1959 said:
Herbs said:
hondansx said:
Herbs said:
I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.
Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?
This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...
Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17
I personally couldn't care whether it is 1%, 5% or 50% - all of those figures are too much for me to risk for the sake of a car.
I'm paying out for a car, i'm paying insurance, i'm paying RFL - i'm not forking out any more money on the small chance that someone breaks into my house, finds the keys, can't start it and buggers off.
If they are going to go to the trouble of breaking in, ignoring the alarm, ignoring the CCTV, ignoring the dog to persevere finding the keys then i'm not going to put anymore obstacles in their way that could make them come upstairs where my family are.
PS I don't read the Mail
Not sure what your point is though?
Thankfully I don't live in a crime hot spot nor am I worried about been burgled and waking up with a knife to my throat.
Hence why I am not worried about leaving my keys downstairs
How is that hard to understand?
Surely the people who are taking extreme measures to protect their car are the ones believing in the " bogey man"
Herbs said:
IJB1959 said:
Herbs said:
hondansx said:
Herbs said:
I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.
Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?
This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...
Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17
I personally couldn't care whether it is 1%, 5% or 50% - all of those figures are too much for me to risk for the sake of a car.
I'm paying out for a car, i'm paying insurance, i'm paying RFL - i'm not forking out any more money on the small chance that someone breaks into my house, finds the keys, can't start it and buggers off.
If they are going to go to the trouble of breaking in, ignoring the alarm, ignoring the CCTV, ignoring the dog to persevere finding the keys then i'm not going to put anymore obstacles in their way that could make them come upstairs where my family are.
PS I don't read the Mail
Not sure what your point is though?
Thankfully I don't live in a crime hot spot nor am I worried about been burgled and waking up with a knife to my throat.
Hence why I am not worried about leaving my keys downstairs
How is that hard to understand?
Surely the people who are taking extreme measures to protect their car are the ones believing in the " bogey man"
[quote] 'Surely the people who are taking extreme measures to protect their car are the ones believing in the " bogey man" '
IJB1959 said:
Herbs said:
IJB1959 said:
Herbs said:
hondansx said:
Herbs said:
I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.
Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?
This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...
Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17
I personally couldn't care whether it is 1%, 5% or 50% - all of those figures are too much for me to risk for the sake of a car.
I'm paying out for a car, i'm paying insurance, i'm paying RFL - i'm not forking out any more money on the small chance that someone breaks into my house, finds the keys, can't start it and buggers off.
If they are going to go to the trouble of breaking in, ignoring the alarm, ignoring the CCTV, ignoring the dog to persevere finding the keys then i'm not going to put anymore obstacles in their way that could make them come upstairs where my family are.
PS I don't read the Mail
Not sure what your point is though?
Thankfully I don't live in a crime hot spot nor am I worried about been burgled and waking up with a knife to my throat.
Hence why I am not worried about leaving my keys downstairs
How is that hard to understand?
Surely the people who are taking extreme measures to protect their car are the ones believing in the " bogey man"
[quote] 'Surely the people who are taking extreme measures to protect their car are the ones believing in the " bogey man" '
Slightly different to paying hundreds to improve the security on my CAR not HOME!
Herbs said:
IJB1959 said:
Herbs said:
IJB1959 said:
Herbs said:
hondansx said:
Herbs said:
I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.
Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?
This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...
Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17
I personally couldn't care whether it is 1%, 5% or 50% - all of those figures are too much for me to risk for the sake of a car.
I'm paying out for a car, i'm paying insurance, i'm paying RFL - i'm not forking out any more money on the small chance that someone breaks into my house, finds the keys, can't start it and buggers off.
If they are going to go to the trouble of breaking in, ignoring the alarm, ignoring the CCTV, ignoring the dog to persevere finding the keys then i'm not going to put anymore obstacles in their way that could make them come upstairs where my family are.
PS I don't read the Mail
Not sure what your point is though?
Thankfully I don't live in a crime hot spot nor am I worried about been burgled and waking up with a knife to my throat.
Hence why I am not worried about leaving my keys downstairs
How is that hard to understand?
Surely the people who are taking extreme measures to protect their car are the ones believing in the " bogey man"
[quote] 'Surely the people who are taking extreme measures to protect their car are the ones believing in the " bogey man" '
Slightly different to paying hundreds to improve the security on my CAR not HOME!
IJB1959 said:
Not really, your home is insured (I imagine) as is your car. My point is that why make it easy to steal the car and have a house like Fort Knox?
I'm not making it easy to steal the car and the house isn't Fort Knox - it's sensible precautions and reduces house insurance.
TBH, a competent thief will break into any house with CCTV & an alarm, but driving away a properly immobilised car is far more difficult. People on here seem to be paranoid about being physically threatened for a immobiliser code ect, whereas the same could happen looking for jewellery or cash in your house.
Of course it could, but the precautions remain the same, no more, no less.
I could be said that a house with visible CCTV & alarm has something valuable to protect inside so may be more of a target?
Yes it could except that it all covert, you wouldn't see any of it unless you are already on my land which means getting through gates etc
The thing is to take reasonable precautions to protect both your car and home and stop worrying about crime percentages and what may or may not happen.
That is exactly what I have been saying!!!!
Theft is common yes, but violent theft is not. I find it sad that some people on here will not buy certain cars thinking that someone will potentially stab them for it......yes it does happen, but it is VERY rare. Far too much scaremongering going on.
Fully agree with this.
I'm not making it easy to steal the car and the house isn't Fort Knox - it's sensible precautions and reduces house insurance.
TBH, a competent thief will break into any house with CCTV & an alarm, but driving away a properly immobilised car is far more difficult. People on here seem to be paranoid about being physically threatened for a immobiliser code ect, whereas the same could happen looking for jewellery or cash in your house.
Of course it could, but the precautions remain the same, no more, no less.
I could be said that a house with visible CCTV & alarm has something valuable to protect inside so may be more of a target?
Yes it could except that it all covert, you wouldn't see any of it unless you are already on my land which means getting through gates etc
The thing is to take reasonable precautions to protect both your car and home and stop worrying about crime percentages and what may or may not happen.
That is exactly what I have been saying!!!!
Theft is common yes, but violent theft is not. I find it sad that some people on here will not buy certain cars thinking that someone will potentially stab them for it......yes it does happen, but it is VERY rare. Far too much scaremongering going on.
Fully agree with this.
andrewparker said:
IJB1959 said:
ALawson said:
Fascinating reading. The issue, whether its 1% or 5%, of those who will enter the house and demand......(whatever to start the car) is that you cannot predict what behaviours will happen.
It may be a gun, knife, battery drill, who knows. But depending upon your or your wife's, kids reaction could have a significant effect on the what might happen.
I would rather they take the car and p
s off, I wouldn't be trying to console myself when te wife or kids have been injured/killed/raped or whatever.
Lucky I cannot afford to purchase outright such metal, and choose not to hire one. It won't be long until there is a slaying in a private dwelling over Hot Hatch.
So much paranoia on here, get a bloody grip.It may be a gun, knife, battery drill, who knows. But depending upon your or your wife's, kids reaction could have a significant effect on the what might happen.
I would rather they take the car and p
s off, I wouldn't be trying to console myself when te wife or kids have been injured/killed/raped or whatever. Lucky I cannot afford to purchase outright such metal, and choose not to hire one. It won't be long until there is a slaying in a private dwelling over Hot Hatch.
This is like trying to get my mother to get on a plane. She won't because there are plane crashes. And she's being ridiculous, right?
I think it's a shame people will deny themselves having a nice car because of a low chance of theft, and a much, much lower chance of it being taken violently. Even lower if you take preventative action in the first place.
Don't wish to argue about it; I just find it completely mind-bogglingly irrational!
What is needed here is some data. Precisely how many forced entry + demanding the keys attacks were there in the UK in 2016 and 2017? Analysis into car type and/or postcode would be useful. Remember, several anecdotes doesn't equal data. Anyone have this?
Until that data exists, it purely comes down to risk appetite and your own circumstances. Meaning that there's very few "wrongs and rights" here, despite the previous few pages of this thread.
Until that data exists, it purely comes down to risk appetite and your own circumstances. Meaning that there's very few "wrongs and rights" here, despite the previous few pages of this thread.
hondansx said:
I respect that everyone has varying levels of appetite for risk, but that doesn't make it any less frustrating.
This is like trying to get my mother to get on a plane. She won't because there are plane crashes. And she's being ridiculous, right?
I think it's a shame people will deny themselves having a nice car because of a low chance of theft, and a much, much lower chance of it being taken violently. Even lower if you take preventative action in the first place.
Don't wish to argue about it; I just find it completely mind-bogglingly irrational!
I haven't seen many people say they would deny themselves a nice car though, just that they wouldn't risk a midnight confrontation in their bedroom to stop one being stolen. This is like trying to get my mother to get on a plane. She won't because there are plane crashes. And she's being ridiculous, right?
I think it's a shame people will deny themselves having a nice car because of a low chance of theft, and a much, much lower chance of it being taken violently. Even lower if you take preventative action in the first place.
Don't wish to argue about it; I just find it completely mind-bogglingly irrational!
xjay1337 said:
andrewparker said:
Precisely the reason I’d never have Autowatch installed, or take my keys upstairs with me.
PS any link to the thread?
Do NOT just bend over and give up so easily.PS any link to the thread?
Edited by andrewparker on Thursday 11th January 11:41
I'm not saying the chap should have gotten his wife cut because of a car, but do not just leave your keys about dangling by the back door just so it's easier for a thief!!
We should be making it as hard as practically possible for them to steal cars.
Put your postcode in here and have a look at the crime map where you are, it should give some idea of real-world risks.
https://www.police.uk/
You can drill down for individual offences.
https://www.police.uk/
You can drill down for individual offences.
hondansx said:
andrewparker said:
IJB1959 said:
ALawson said:
Fascinating reading. The issue, whether its 1% or 5%, of those who will enter the house and demand......(whatever to start the car) is that you cannot predict what behaviours will happen.
It may be a gun, knife, battery drill, who knows. But depending upon your or your wife's, kids reaction could have a significant effect on the what might happen.
I would rather they take the car and ps off, I wouldn't be trying to console myself when te wife or kids have been injured/killed/raped or whatever.
Lucky I cannot afford to purchase outright such metal, and choose not to hire one. It won't be long until there is a slaying in a private dwelling over Hot Hatch.
So much paranoia on here, get a bloody grip.It may be a gun, knife, battery drill, who knows. But depending upon your or your wife's, kids reaction could have a significant effect on the what might happen.
I would rather they take the car and p
s off, I wouldn't be trying to console myself when te wife or kids have been injured/killed/raped or whatever. Lucky I cannot afford to purchase outright such metal, and choose not to hire one. It won't be long until there is a slaying in a private dwelling over Hot Hatch.
This is like trying to get my mother to get on a plane. She won't because there are plane crashes. And she's being ridiculous, right?
I think it's a shame people will deny themselves having a nice car because of a low chance of theft, and a much, much lower chance of it being taken violently. Even lower if you take preventative action in the first place.
Don't wish to argue about it; I just find it completely mind-bogglingly irrational!
andrewparker said:
FWIW, I’ve never said I would deny myself a nice car because of these risks. The plane analogy isn’t that accurate, it’s frustrating because your mother won’t risk her own safety. In these circumstances the risk isn’t just to your own safety, it’s to that of your family and children. I don’t mind people taking risks when only they will be impacted by them, but to take them when other people could knowingly be effected is irresponsible IMO.
I am the same as this poster, its all about risk management. If you can say that regardless of the chance of an event happening you would be happy with the worst possible outcome; then take the keys to bed and get some fancy system on the car which may frustrate a thief to the point of asking you to break the system. If that is unpalatable, then you can leave the keys in the ignition every night with a sign on the windscreen. Or take measures which fall somewhere in the middle ground i.e. lock the car in a well lit place, keep the keys down stairs. I would go as far as placing them somewhere where they are easily seen should they break in past the houses security. I simply wouldn't want anyone coming up the stairs.
At the end of the day its an insured lump of metal, kids are not replaceable should the worst happen. I fully accept the chance of this happening is slight, especially if you have a garage and your neighbour has a brand new 435d on the drive.
rovermorris999 said:
Put your postcode in here and have a look at the crime map where you are, it should give some idea of real-world risks.
https://www.police.uk/
You can drill down for individual offences.
It's a bit odd. It gives two locations in our village for issues over the past months. One of them...? Nah. Really cannot see it.https://www.police.uk/
You can drill down for individual offences.
rovermorris999 said:
Put your postcode in here and have a look at the crime map where you are, it should give some idea of real-world risks.
https://www.police.uk/
You can drill down for individual offences.
That is interesting, there is a road a not far from where we live which I had my suspicions about, there was one incident on our road int he whole timeline available, a burglary, that road has between one and six incidents listed each month, mostly around two houses, arson, violence, theft, drugs etc, at least it is fairly close to the Police Station. https://www.police.uk/
You can drill down for individual offences.
rovermorris999 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
It's a bit odd. It gives two locations in our village for issues over the past months. One of them...? Nah. Really cannot see it.
The police must have incorrect information then. It's their data. As accurate as it gets.Digga said:
rovermorris999 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
It's a bit odd. It gives two locations in our village for issues over the past months. One of them...? Nah. Really cannot see it.
The police must have incorrect information then. It's their data. As accurate as it gets.But I suspect that the locations are aggregated in some way, rather than pointing directly to the actual location.
My wife just asked me "Are Golf R's very stealable", so I said yes, long since having abandoned any notion of getting one, so no need to try and put a positie spin on it.
Someone had posted on Facebook that a White Golf R was stolen at knifepoint in Hale this evening, Hale is quite an upmarket area not far from Manchester Airport/Altrincham.
Someone had posted on Facebook that a White Golf R was stolen at knifepoint in Hale this evening, Hale is quite an upmarket area not far from Manchester Airport/Altrincham.
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