Near Theft of my S3
Discussion
eatontrifles said:
Yes, UPVC double glazed patio doors with five-point locking. If you don't know about Euro lock snapping on doors like this then I'd suggest a Google search and a swift trip to Screwfix.
They don't break glass because it's not as easy as you might think and it makes a lot of noise - they do not want to be heard.
It's very surprising. We replaced our patio doors a couple of years ago, and after trying to give away the old ones on Freecycle and getting no takers, I decided to cut them up and take them to the tip. After laying them on a tarp, I dropped half a paving slab from chest height to break the glass. It bounced. I ended up throwing the slab hard down from over my head to shatter the glass, and the bang had my neighbour looking out of the window in seconds. They don't break glass because it's not as easy as you might think and it makes a lot of noise - they do not want to be heard.
LocoCoco said:
Strudul said:
LocoCoco said:
If i was the burglars I'd leave you in there and demand you tell me where the keys are or I will proceed to burn your house down. If you have the keys locked in there with you I'm asking you to slide them under the door and using a contraption to grab them so that I don't get into your line of fire or telling you to drop them from your window and to shut the window afterwards. (trying to put myself in the shoes of the burglars here, I would never steal anything).
I wish you the best of luck creating an impenetrable fortress and hope that my scenario only gives you ideas on how to be safer.
I'd have thought a warning shot would quickly change your mind?I wish you the best of luck creating an impenetrable fortress and hope that my scenario only gives you ideas on how to be safer.
Thieves may be stupid, but I reckon the majority aren't looking to get themselves killed stealing a car.
They may not risk getting killed to take the car but they'll definitely risk it to not get caught (police chases prove this).
If I'm the type that's going to get the keys from the owner in bed, I don't think I'm worried about what crime I will be charged with afterwards.
A full bore rifle or shotgun is bloody loud (especially indoors) and rather unexpected in the UK. I'm almost certain they would s
t their pants and run, especially since you've almost definitely woken the neighbours by now and the police have probably been alerted.PAULJ5555 said:
On a recent trip to the USA speaking to the locals, they almost seemed shocked that we don't have guns in the UK, one asked me what do we do if someone get into your bedroom at night. I had to pause and think, all I could say was I don't know throw a pillow at them. In some ways they have the right idea when it come to defending themselves.
If I was a scrote who broke into houses at night demanding car keys, and I thought the person in the house would be ready with a gun, I'd almost certainly shoot first and ask questions later should the person in the house make any move to conceal their hands. I'd rather not live in a society where escalation is the norm.Strudul said:
LocoCoco said:
Strudul said:
LocoCoco said:
If i was the burglars I'd leave you in there and demand you tell me where the keys are or I will proceed to burn your house down. If you have the keys locked in there with you I'm asking you to slide them under the door and using a contraption to grab them so that I don't get into your line of fire or telling you to drop them from your window and to shut the window afterwards. (trying to put myself in the shoes of the burglars here, I would never steal anything).
I wish you the best of luck creating an impenetrable fortress and hope that my scenario only gives you ideas on how to be safer.
I'd have thought a warning shot would quickly change your mind?I wish you the best of luck creating an impenetrable fortress and hope that my scenario only gives you ideas on how to be safer.
Thieves may be stupid, but I reckon the majority aren't looking to get themselves killed stealing a car.
They may not risk getting killed to take the car but they'll definitely risk it to not get caught (police chases prove this).
If I'm the type that's going to get the keys from the owner in bed, I don't think I'm worried about what crime I will be charged with afterwards.
A full bore rifle or shotgun is bloody loud (especially indoors) and rather unexpected in the UK. I'm almost certain they would s
t their pants and run, especially since you've almost definitely woken the neighbours by now and the police have probably been alerted.I bought my Focus RS 2.5 years ago, around the time when one was going missing almost every day.
I have multiple forms of security on it, I've also uprated the handles on my exterior doors to higher security ones, and changed the eurolocks to anti-snap/anti-bump ones. Normally leave the keys on the dining table, if someone broke in and took the keys, they wouldn't be able to take the car anyways and I'll have been alerted before they've even realised that, giving me enough time to alert the police or prepare for worse.
I have multiple forms of security on it, I've also uprated the handles on my exterior doors to higher security ones, and changed the eurolocks to anti-snap/anti-bump ones. Normally leave the keys on the dining table, if someone broke in and took the keys, they wouldn't be able to take the car anyways and I'll have been alerted before they've even realised that, giving me enough time to alert the police or prepare for worse.
LocoCoco said:
If i was the burglars I'd leave you in there and demand you tell me where the keys are or I will proceed to burn your house down. If you have the keys locked in there with you I'm asking you to slide them under the door and using a contraption to grab them so that I don't get into your line of fire or telling you to drop them from your window and to shut the window afterwards. (trying to put myself in the shoes of the burglars here, I would never steal anything).
I wish you the best of luck creating an impenetrable fortress and hope that my scenario only gives you ideas on how to be safer.
Edit. I'd probably start the fire, gives you a bit less time to decide. Hole up in the room and burn to death or tell me where the keys are and still have time to escape once I'm gone.
I suspect that 95% of them would run a mile at a shouted warning, 4% would run on hearing the bolt on the shotgun being released (they've all played COD, they know what it sounds like), and you'd probably get most of the remaining 1% with a warning shot out of the window. I wish you the best of luck creating an impenetrable fortress and hope that my scenario only gives you ideas on how to be safer.
Edit. I'd probably start the fire, gives you a bit less time to decide. Hole up in the room and burn to death or tell me where the keys are and still have time to escape once I'm gone.
Edited by LocoCoco on Friday 15th September 12:38
I don't see the idea of lighting a fire as particularly realistic. The only reason I wouldn't go on the offensive is that the law forbids it, and I'm a very law abiding type. As soon as they say "we're going to burn you" and start setting fires, clearing them out of the house by any means possible would be legitimate self defence.
Bond had the right idea. Perhaps everyone needs to have a word with Q Branch Security Systems Ltd....
https://youtu.be/n1Ug4I89c98?t=6s
https://youtu.be/n1Ug4I89c98?t=6s
rxe said:
LocoCoco said:
If i was the burglars I'd leave you in there and demand you tell me where the keys are or I will proceed to burn your house down. If you have the keys locked in there with you I'm asking you to slide them under the door and using a contraption to grab them so that I don't get into your line of fire or telling you to drop them from your window and to shut the window afterwards. (trying to put myself in the shoes of the burglars here, I would never steal anything).
I wish you the best of luck creating an impenetrable fortress and hope that my scenario only gives you ideas on how to be safer.
Edit. I'd probably start the fire, gives you a bit less time to decide. Hole up in the room and burn to death or tell me where the keys are and still have time to escape once I'm gone.
I suspect that 95% of them would run a mile at a shouted warning, 4% would run on hearing the bolt on the shotgun being released (they've all played COD, they know what it sounds like), and you'd probably get most of the remaining 1% with a warning shot out of the window. I wish you the best of luck creating an impenetrable fortress and hope that my scenario only gives you ideas on how to be safer.
Edit. I'd probably start the fire, gives you a bit less time to decide. Hole up in the room and burn to death or tell me where the keys are and still have time to escape once I'm gone.
Edited by LocoCoco on Friday 15th September 12:38
I don't see the idea of lighting a fire as particularly realistic. The only reason I wouldn't go on the offensive is that the law forbids it, and I'm a very law abiding type. As soon as they say "we're going to burn you" and start setting fires, clearing them out of the house by any means possible would be legitimate self defence.
Get some kind of indoor CCTV that would record the audio of the threats, if you clear out the house legitimately, you'll still need some evidence to prove the self defence.
The most effective thing seems to be hiring a Witch Doctor.
https://businesstoday.co.ke/naked-truth-car-thieve...
https://businesstoday.co.ke/naked-truth-car-thieve...
Two masked lads came to try and take my M140i a few months back. 4am, dog barked so I went downstairs but didnt see anything at the time. Checked my CCTV and saw that they parked a few doors down from me, and then came onto my driveway. One lad did a full inspection of my car with a torch, whilst the other tried my lounge window and front door. Both of them then go down the side of the house, they try the side door and the 2 back patio doors but cant gain entry. 5 mins in total and then they leave, one scrote looks back at the CCTV as they left so caught a glimpse of his face but police could not identify him from their national database.
I got their reg plate from a neighbours camera, but it was a false plate, the police later told me the ANPR cameras had tracked the plate coming down from Scotland but when it left my street they didnt get a reading at all so more than likely swapped the plates. To be fair on the cops they rang me a few times after it happened, and they do seem to take this very seriously.
I'd only had the car 3 months at that point, on the same street as me is a 66 plate M3 and a newish RS6.
It just baffles me they came all that way down, and who told them about my car? New security measures now in place and had no problems since.
I got their reg plate from a neighbours camera, but it was a false plate, the police later told me the ANPR cameras had tracked the plate coming down from Scotland but when it left my street they didnt get a reading at all so more than likely swapped the plates. To be fair on the cops they rang me a few times after it happened, and they do seem to take this very seriously.
I'd only had the car 3 months at that point, on the same street as me is a 66 plate M3 and a newish RS6.
It just baffles me they came all that way down, and who told them about my car? New security measures now in place and had no problems since.
cadmunkey said:
It just baffles me they came all that way down, and who told them about my car? New security measures now in place and had no problems since.
I'm not saying it was related to this, but, well ...https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/bmw-salesman...
cadmunkey said:
It just baffles me they came all that way down, and who told them about my car? New security measures now in place and had no problems since.
What area are you in/how far from Scotland are you? Most of this stuff seems to centre around the bigger cities but I'm sure it'll move out further.Any extra security measures you can share with us lot trying to make our places a bit more secure? It does seem odd they travelled any distance seemingly on the off chance you left a door unsecured. Are you parked on a main road or through road where someone could have seen the car by passing?
CaptainMorgan said:
cadmunkey said:
It just baffles me they came all that way down, and who told them about my car? New security measures now in place and had no problems since.
What area are you in/how far from Scotland are you? Most of this stuff seems to centre around the bigger cities but I'm sure it'll move out further.Any extra security measures you can share with us lot trying to make our places a bit more secure? It does seem odd they travelled any distance seemingly on the off chance you left a door unsecured. Are you parked on a main road or through road where someone could have seen the car by passing?
Police found known DNA on the abandoned stolen 3 series that they came in but couldn't use it ( drink bottle classed as in transit item ). Some comfort in that they know who one of the gang is however he is still out there presumably plying his trade.
We upped the security and nothing since thankfully ( still got the stolen Golf ) however we have never felt comfortable in the house since and we are moving to another area in the next few weeks after 17 years in the current property
CaptainMorgan said:
xjay1337 said:
Yes it is. Fits any VW from Mk5 on right up to new Mk7.5
My friend has just had one fitted on his 2009 Seat Leon.
The anti hijack? My friend has just had one fitted on his 2009 Seat Leon.
Clever, except when it doesn't start on the key they'll come back into the house and ask you politely for the code. Or not.
Something like this means as long as you have your phone on you, as soon as the car has left your drive you can kill the ignition with one text message.
We had one on my wife's Cooper S, which we sold after an attempted car jacking anyway - but as a tracker and immobiliser it's a cheap and easy option, was less than £300 fitted - just hook the relay up to the fuel pump feed.
CaptainMorgan said:
cadmunkey said:
It just baffles me they came all that way down, and who told them about my car? New security measures now in place and had no problems since.
What area are you in/how far from Scotland are you? Most of this stuff seems to centre around the bigger cities but I'm sure it'll move out further.Any extra security measures you can share with us lot trying to make our places a bit more secure? It does seem odd they travelled any distance seemingly on the off chance you left a door unsecured. Are you parked on a main road or through road where someone could have seen the car by passing?
Not really willing to discuss my security now, I've been warned about sharing info on car forums.
Edited by cadmunkey on Tuesday 19th September 00:03
Edited by cadmunkey on Tuesday 19th September 00:04
It really is a shocking world we live in and it will continue until the time fits the crime.
I had a hawkeye Impreza sti. I previously lived on quite a busy street in a nice village in Leeds. I came home one Friday night about 10pm and left the car outside the house. The gf the was at the window and proceeded to tell me that someone in a mask had watch me park up and then walked off.
It was the school holidays so I didn't think too much of It, but I did move to gthe car on to my awkward drive and went to bed. I was woken by the girlfriend at 1am on a Friday to let me know that 4 lads in balaclavas and masks were outside the house looking around the car. The moved to the back garden (still visible from the road) and set about trying to get through the French doors, with my dog poo shovel from the garden. In my wisdom i decided to head downstairs with the ldog and open the curtains to let them know I was there with a big dog. Erm it didn't go well..... they just stepped back with shovel and put it through the window and came in the house. The gf went upstairs to call the Police whilst I thought I was Bruce lee for about 5 seconds.
I ran upstairs with the following and pinned the bedroom door shut. They continued to try boot the door in and managed to get the shovel round whilst shouting get on the bed and no one gets hurt. After a while the door gave and I let them in. The dog was under the bed (great guard dog but I'm pleased in a way) and the gf was hysterical. I was ok bar some cuts and bruises and given the delay I had managed to create they managed to get some watches but left the car as the police were on the way and it would have taken ages to get off drive.
The police were useless in all honesty and I never got my stuff back. The neighbours never heard a thing either!
All I learned from it is, If they want to come in, they are coming in regardless and if nobody knows what they will do personally in the situation. I was stupid as it could have ended badly, but instinct took over.
Sorry for the long post
I had a hawkeye Impreza sti. I previously lived on quite a busy street in a nice village in Leeds. I came home one Friday night about 10pm and left the car outside the house. The gf the was at the window and proceeded to tell me that someone in a mask had watch me park up and then walked off.
It was the school holidays so I didn't think too much of It, but I did move to gthe car on to my awkward drive and went to bed. I was woken by the girlfriend at 1am on a Friday to let me know that 4 lads in balaclavas and masks were outside the house looking around the car. The moved to the back garden (still visible from the road) and set about trying to get through the French doors, with my dog poo shovel from the garden. In my wisdom i decided to head downstairs with the ldog and open the curtains to let them know I was there with a big dog. Erm it didn't go well..... they just stepped back with shovel and put it through the window and came in the house. The gf went upstairs to call the Police whilst I thought I was Bruce lee for about 5 seconds.
I ran upstairs with the following and pinned the bedroom door shut. They continued to try boot the door in and managed to get the shovel round whilst shouting get on the bed and no one gets hurt. After a while the door gave and I let them in. The dog was under the bed (great guard dog but I'm pleased in a way) and the gf was hysterical. I was ok bar some cuts and bruises and given the delay I had managed to create they managed to get some watches but left the car as the police were on the way and it would have taken ages to get off drive.
The police were useless in all honesty and I never got my stuff back. The neighbours never heard a thing either!
All I learned from it is, If they want to come in, they are coming in regardless and if nobody knows what they will do personally in the situation. I was stupid as it could have ended badly, but instinct took over.
Sorry for the long post
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