Near Theft of my S3
Discussion
I've never heard of anyone I know having this happen to them.
Where on earth do all you people live for this s
t to be happening? I've got an older S3 and I can't even remember what street its parked in as I never really drive it, never had any issue with it, nor do I expect one. And I do not live in a particularly amazing place.
Where on earth do all you people live for this s
t to be happening? I've got an older S3 and I can't even remember what street its parked in as I never really drive it, never had any issue with it, nor do I expect one. And I do not live in a particularly amazing place.hondansx said:
The link I posted said 0.86 S3 thefts per 1,000 cars. That means you're more likely to get your partner pregnant whilst using contraception that you are your Audi S3 stolen - the most stolen car in the UK.
Is that less than one in 1000 S3's, or cars generally (I hope it's the former!). It's similar to inherent engine problems with types of car I think, the likelyhood of having a liner failure in the mk2 Focus ST for example was comparitively small but people ended up getting paranoid about it to the point that a small business sprang up around pre empting it's occurance.
Plate spinner said:
My neighbour has an RS6 / VW camper can thing and recently had installed solid looking electric metal posts across his driveway.
Ugly, but maybe a decent first line deterrent?
Electric posts, sirens, disclocs and flashing lights are only a deterrent until the scrotes are in your bedroom asking you to disable/switch them off and to hand over the keys.Ugly, but maybe a decent first line deterrent?
If they really want the car there's not much that you can do.
andymc said:
So what are the main areas of the country getting hit?
London, Manchester, Birmingham, North Yorkshire (with most of it starting around Bradford) seem the most obvious! Biggest most obvious thing is nearly all these areas are of course major metropolitan areas, but they all pretty much have major arterial motorways in easy distance....I was talking to a mate about this at the weekend. He's been a police officer for around 20 year and he says that while most of the media (inexplicably) report reductions in car crime, these are the facts: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-new...
AutoExpress said:
Nearly 100,000 vehicles were stolen in the UK last year and 250,000 were broken in to according to the latest crime figures
Vehicle thefts increased nearly a fifth last year in the UK's biggest crime spike for a decade.
Vehicle thefts increased nearly a fifth last year in the UK's biggest crime spike for a decade.
I'm of the opinion that if someone wants to break into my house to steal car keys, I have 2 kids and a misses. The last thing I want is them coming up the stairs to find the keys, I don't have anything desirable, but all my keys are hung up in the hall next to the door. I'd rather they find them and just bugger off.
djt100 said:
I'm of the opinion that if someone wants to break into my house to steal car keys, I have 2 kids and a misses. The last thing I want is them coming up the stairs to find the keys, I don't have anything desirable, but all my keys are hung up in the hall next to the door. I'd rather they find them and just bugger off.
All I'd add is that off course you need to make it as hard as possible for them to get in, high quality locks / doors / windows / alarm etc. I fully agree with not wanting to expose your family to this risk, but you tread a tightrope of also not encouraging the thieves by making it too easy (I wouldn't leave your keys that visible and not close to the door / letter box).People saying the police don't give a st, I think you'll find that they do, in my area stolen cars get chased/recovered every single day, plus the work with ANPR, phones etc. The people who are stealing the cars are actually pretty well organised too though, that is the reality 
A huge proportion of car thefts will be a case of, no witnesses, no cctv, and no forensic opportunities, basically the car just 'vanishes' in the middle of the night, especially true with the spate of OBD enabled thefts (most common with modern Fords etc), so there is often little or nothing to go on from an evidential perspective. There is little a police officer attending the scene will achieve from an evidential perspective in such cases, beyond reassurance. An officer can't do much more than turn up, stare at the space where the car used to be, and say 'Sorry mate', if there is no evidence.
Given this, and the nature of demand vs police resources, many police forces have simply decided there is no point even sending officers to a theft of motor vehicle offence unless there are clear evidential opportunities or aggravating factors (a robbery or burglary, rather than a straightforward theft for example).
In this instance the torch found may offer something of evidential value, but most likely it will not (being rained on will not help matters but most 'professional' car thieves will be wearing gloves anyway). Proving *beyond reasonable doubt* that it was used in the offence is far from a sure thing sadly, given its a movable object found in a place accessible to the public....does the CCTV show them dropping it? You know its the crooks torch, the police know it will be, but that's not the same thing as getting the CPS to authorise a charge against someone, sadly (there will be numerous other evidential considerations too, mind).
t, I think you'll find that they do, in my area stolen cars get chased/recovered every single day, plus the work with ANPR, phones etc. The people who are stealing the cars are actually pretty well organised too though, that is the reality A huge proportion of car thefts will be a case of, no witnesses, no cctv, and no forensic opportunities, basically the car just 'vanishes' in the middle of the night, especially true with the spate of OBD enabled thefts (most common with modern Fords etc), so there is often little or nothing to go on from an evidential perspective. There is little a police officer attending the scene will achieve from an evidential perspective in such cases, beyond reassurance. An officer can't do much more than turn up, stare at the space where the car used to be, and say 'Sorry mate', if there is no evidence.
Given this, and the nature of demand vs police resources, many police forces have simply decided there is no point even sending officers to a theft of motor vehicle offence unless there are clear evidential opportunities or aggravating factors (a robbery or burglary, rather than a straightforward theft for example).
In this instance the torch found may offer something of evidential value, but most likely it will not (being rained on will not help matters but most 'professional' car thieves will be wearing gloves anyway). Proving *beyond reasonable doubt* that it was used in the offence is far from a sure thing sadly, given its a movable object found in a place accessible to the public....does the CCTV show them dropping it? You know its the crooks torch, the police know it will be, but that's not the same thing as getting the CPS to authorise a charge against someone, sadly (there will be numerous other evidential considerations too, mind).
onedsla said:
hondansx said:
Yep, that figure is just for S3s - 0.086% chance of theft.
Looks like 8.6 cars per 1000 to me, so 0.86%.Majority of cars in the top 10 are 4WD, so better suited to bank robberies in the wet that your typical AMG / M cars (up til the most recent lineup).
PAULJ5555 said:
On a recent trip to the USA speaking to the locals, they almost seemed shocked that we don't have guns in the UK, one asked me what do we do if someone get into your bedroom at night. I had to pause and think, all I could say was I don't know throw a pillow at them. In some ways they have the right idea when it come to defending themselves.
Maybe, but when criminals break into our houses, they do so with a knife/hammer etc, not with a gun.I'm pretty sure a criminal with a weapon drawn will be much more dangerous than me waking up and bleary eyed trying to route around for my gun in the hope I can shoot them before they shoot me, also guaranteeing that one of us has to die.
If I was in your position.
50w LED PIR floodlight right above where the car parks. A good 5m above ground level though
Bollard ( if driveway allows )
Possibly rig one of those small personal alarms to sound if the porch door is opened.
That combined with the house alarm + floodlight would ps off most crims.... and possibly your neighbors.
You already have CCTV.
And lastly Id leave the keys in the porch. Not in plain sight but whats the lesser of two evils? They take the car or you get stabbed or clubbed?
50w LED PIR floodlight right above where the car parks. A good 5m above ground level though
Bollard ( if driveway allows )
Possibly rig one of those small personal alarms to sound if the porch door is opened.
That combined with the house alarm + floodlight would p
s off most crims.... and possibly your neighbors. You already have CCTV.
And lastly Id leave the keys in the porch. Not in plain sight but whats the lesser of two evils? They take the car or you get stabbed or clubbed?
Edited by FoxtrotOscar1 on Wednesday 13th September 11:52
Hungrymc said:
djt100 said:
I'm of the opinion that if someone wants to break into my house to steal car keys, I have 2 kids and a misses. The last thing I want is them coming up the stairs to find the keys, I don't have anything desirable, but all my keys are hung up in the hall next to the door. I'd rather they find them and just bugger off.
All I'd add is that off course you need to make it as hard as possible for them to get in, high quality locks / doors / windows / alarm etc. I fully agree with not wanting to expose your family to this risk, but you tread a tightrope of also not encouraging the thieves by making it too easy (I wouldn't leave your keys that visible and not close to the door / letter box).No reasonable security measures can completely prevent the determined from getting in, but I believe in making it difficult and also buying me as much time as possible to come to senses, alert police and do whatever I may to do protect myself (which would probably involve barricading myself in a room rather than dominating the landing). My keys are left in a visible location downstairs.
I asked my locksmiths at the time if many homes have comparable security and the guys said yes, but generally only after they've been victims of a break-in. It's amazing how few people seek to harden their homes pre-emptively and also how weak most doors/frames/locks are.
Edited by theboss on Wednesday 13th September 12:00
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