Near Theft of my S3
Discussion
TooMany2cvs said:
xjay1337 said:
Did I say I would fight the guy?
Somebody was about to you, whether you or somebody else...xjay1337 said:
Infact I said I specifically said that it was just in relation to leaving your keys about, etc. I would also do the same as the bloke and give up the code.
I just said that not fitting additional security seems like giving up to me.
Secure your home and your car. The same could be said for those big Disklok things. Not going to put one on incase the baddies come back and ask for the key to that too?
And isn't that precisely the point? The additional security was what caused the threat of violence to ramp up a notch.I just said that not fitting additional security seems like giving up to me.
Secure your home and your car. The same could be said for those big Disklok things. Not going to put one on incase the baddies come back and ask for the key to that too?
andrewparker said:
With respect mate, we're going to have to agree to disagree. Once they're in my house they'll find the keys on my kitchen island. Under no circumstances am I going to create a situation that invites any confrontation. My stand, if you could call it that, is that my cars have trackers, and I'd hope that if they do get taken the tracker goes some way to either retrieving the car, or leading the Police to them. I've also secured my house as much as I am comfortable with, so I'm not making it easy for anyone, but if someone gets inside I'm not one of these people who is going to take the risk that they might not come upstairs to forcibly remove the keys from my hands.
+1I wonder if all the people talking a big game have thought about their partners, or their kids if they have them, and what their thoughts are about the possibility of getting into a unnecessary confrontation with someone, or several people, who are alert, running on adrenaline, is already resolute enough to be in your bedroom threatening you, etc when you're bleary eyed and on the back foot.
No one wants to lose their pride and joy, but at the end of the day its an insured asset. It's no good making a stand on principal if you or a loved one is left with life changing injuries (physical or psychological).
Another guy elsewhere on the forum said that he keeps his keys visible at the top of the stairs. That seems to be a reasonable compromise between not "giving them away" but at the same time not inviting a confrontation. Frankly though, I'm not sure I'd want them to intrude even that far.
I think the principal of that Autowatch is sound, but in practice you're basically challenging them to confront you if they've found your keys and have found they can't start the car. When you think about the sums of money involved in stealing these cars, and the ancillary crime related to it, I'm not sure the sort of people it attracts are the sort you want to be having any kind of interaction with.
Edited by Durzel on Thursday 11th January 13:26
J4CKO said:
TooMany2cvs said:
J4CKO said:
What are the penalties these kind of thieves face if caught ?
On top of the car theft?If they brought the knife with 'em, then potentially up to Aggravated Burglary - maximum sentence life...?
Just need to try and make it so they go elsewhere, first step is not owning fast 4WD VAG cars, even though my old TT fits the description, dont think they are that interested
if they did I would give them my VAG COM laptop and see if they can sort a few bits out.xjay1337 said:
Andy OH said:
xjay1337 said:
Of course we can disagree.
But refusing to fit additional security to your car just because?
Seems like you are giving up.
I wonder how many thefts the gang will simply give up when car fails to start.
My friend you are talking bBut refusing to fit additional security to your car just because?
Seems like you are giving up.
I wonder how many thefts the gang will simply give up when car fails to start.
s. If three large guys in balaclavas broke into my house and demanded the keys to my car or to put a PIN into an immobiliser device whilst holding a knife to my wife's throat I would not sit back and challenge. They can have the bloody car it's replaceable my wife isn't.I also specifically asked the question, I wonder how many cars are not stolen simply due to inability to find the key, immobiliser, disklock or similar.
The point is MOST of the time the thieves don't want a confrontation as much as you.
So if their initial theft doesn't go to plan, MOST will just leave it.
Where do you draw the line?
Won't leave the doors locked incase they smash the glass and I stand on it next morning and cut my foot.
Won't bother locking my car next time either incase they break in to my house to begin with.
I am agreeing with what you are saying. Given the scenario I would also give them the keys / PIN. FFS.
I am simply saying that by refusing to use security to your own advantage you are simply playing into the hands of the assholes that do this.
I can see why you may not want a Ghost immobilisor. That's your choice.
But to not have one simply because they may threaten you seems, like I said, like giving up. As I also said, most of the time I very much doubt the thiefs would want to get into a confrontation about it.
Or just own a Hyundai i20 1.6 instead of a Golf R.
Firstly - thefts come in many different shapes - some are opportunist, some are druggies and some are gangs that will stop at nothing as you have seen above. Putting them all in together is naive.
Secondly- there is a very big disparity between:
making it easy ........................................................standard precaution.....................................taking keys to bed and dominating teh keys.
No-one here is saying, please help yourself, why would they? Most, including myself will take obvious precautions to prevent theft but I am not going to lose sleep thinking of where are my keys in case i get robbed or ensuring I take them to bed with me. It's simply not worth the daily stress or the stress if a gang turned up wanting it - doesn't mean I leave them by an open door.
Thirdly: you talk about additional security but then admit you would give it up anyway so why is it worth the cost and hassle to have in the first place???
i think its very important to realise that times are changing......
when i was a lad, cars were stolen to be ragged around the local streets, for a bit of fun
improved security dramatically stopped this....
cars are now stolen for a reason, as that car has value for the thief..... golf r's aren't being stolen to be driven around the golden triangle, the have a financial value to the thief.... it may be their only source of income, so leads to more aggressive behaviours..... car jacking used to be seen in south africa only, violent jacking is on the increase here in the uk now.....
what you have to ask yourself is does the anti-theft device prevent the opportunistic thief, probably yes, but will it stop the determined thug....
when i was a lad, cars were stolen to be ragged around the local streets, for a bit of fun
improved security dramatically stopped this....
cars are now stolen for a reason, as that car has value for the thief..... golf r's aren't being stolen to be driven around the golden triangle, the have a financial value to the thief.... it may be their only source of income, so leads to more aggressive behaviours..... car jacking used to be seen in south africa only, violent jacking is on the increase here in the uk now.....
what you have to ask yourself is does the anti-theft device prevent the opportunistic thief, probably yes, but will it stop the determined thug....
Long term, there is only one solution; the government has to spend money on policing and building more prisons. Employ offices to detect and apprehend criminals. Make the consequences of car theft very, very severe, make sure those that do it stay inside for a long while. A locked-up thief cannot steal cars or put the lives of the general public at risk.
Digga said:
Long term, there is only one solution; the government has to spend money on policing and building more prisons. Employ offices to detect and apprehend criminals. Make the consequences of car theft very, very severe, make sure those that do it stay inside for a long while. A locked-up thief cannot steal cars or put the lives of the general public at risk.
Or they could reduce social inequality...- Scarpers*
TooMany2cvs said:
SlimJim16v said:
If you have one of those cars, it looks like the additional security has to be on the house.
Then the missus gets carjacked.these things do have a massive bearing on peoples lives, their trust of others, we all talk like we would shrug it off but it isnt that easy, that lad I know that had his RS4 taken really felt it and he is a tough bugger.
Glad to hear of the 8 and 13 years being given, would rather hear of them picking the wrong house and getting savaged by a large dog or some kind of Pulp Fiction "Medieval" scenario.
Herbs said:
TooMany2cvs said:
How much more severe do you want, bearing in mind the death penalty's not on the cards?
(BTW, remember that the death penalty ain't coming back while the UK is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights, and that has nothing at all to do with brexit or the EU...)
xjay1337 said:
Herbs said:
Thirdly: you talk about additional security but then admit you would give it up anyway so why is it worth the cost and hassle to have in the first place???
The <5% chance of them coming back vs the 95% chance them buggering off. Herbs said:
xjay1337 said:
Herbs said:
Thirdly: you talk about additional security but then admit you would give it up anyway so why is it worth the cost and hassle to have in the first place???
The <5% chance of them coming back vs the 95% chance them buggering off. Then again, neither do you.
There is no evidence for this either way, it just makes sense that in most cases , most thefts , when stumbled upon, get very disorganised very quickly. Plenty of failed theft CCTV to back this up. Most just want to get in and out as soon as possible without being caught.
I'm just saying that devices like the Ghost and other immobilisor / anti hijack systems are good
Herbs said:
I'd like to see you back those figures up especially when evidence suggests it's the other way round when we are talking about gang theft.
Care to quantify your evidence with some, er, evidence?Could you, per chance, be taking what you see on the Daily Mail website as an accurate portrayal of the car theft landscape? Or, perhaps do the media sensationalise the most exciting, dangerous stories?
This source suggests the rise in car theft is mainly down to the relay technique - which doesn't even require a key, and therefore no danger.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/27/car-the...
Edited by hondansx on Thursday 11th January 15:17
Fascinating reading. The issue, whether its 1% or 5%, of those who will enter the house and demand......(whatever to start the car) is that you cannot predict what behaviours will happen.
It may be a gun, knife, battery drill, who knows. But depending upon your or your wife's, kids reaction could have a significant effect on the what might happen.
I would rather they take the car and ps off, I wouldn't be trying to console myself when te wife or kids have been injured/killed/raped or whatever.
Lucky I cannot afford to purchase outright such metal, and choose not to hire one. It won't be long until there is a slaying in a private dwelling over Hot Hatch.
It may be a gun, knife, battery drill, who knows. But depending upon your or your wife's, kids reaction could have a significant effect on the what might happen.
I would rather they take the car and p
s off, I wouldn't be trying to console myself when te wife or kids have been injured/killed/raped or whatever. Lucky I cannot afford to purchase outright such metal, and choose not to hire one. It won't be long until there is a slaying in a private dwelling over Hot Hatch.
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